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Which Sox are going to be traded this summer?
spiderman replied to harfman77's topic in Pale Hose Talk
Any of the following can be traded, but usually it turns out to be less: Gordon Beckham Alexi Ramirez Adam Dunn Matt Lindstrom One of the OF's (De Aza / Viceido) All of these guys have issues/questions though so I'm not sure that the White Sox will get great value for them, not to mention it's unlikely that the Sox will be ship all of these players away (even if they should). It's probably 2 or 3 players at the most that get moved should the White Sox decide to sell. -
On Stubhub, what is the new 'Gold Coast Club' (or formerly the Jim Beam Club) at US Cellular? Thanks in advance!
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QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Apr 19, 2014 -> 06:36 AM) It boggled my mind then, it boggles my mind now, how anyone could have thought this guy was going to be effective was beyond me. He made 5 minor league starts last year and they were very similar to his results this season. He was still coming off a serious injury and was going to be rusty any way you slice it. Finally, he wasn't very good to begin with. A lot of the metrics on Paulino showed potential if I recall so, at a low risk, Hahn was probably also intrigued. My guess is that they put him on the DL for some 'tbd' injury. He won't make another start for the White Sox at least for the next month.
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John Danks is the 7th worst contract in baseball
spiderman replied to Steve9347's topic in Pale Hose Talk
Even if John Danks never rebounds from his shoulder surgery and continues to be just a pedestrian talent, I would argue that every off-season, with free agency, there are probably 2-3 guys signed to huge, ridiculous money that teams willl regret almost immediately and at dollars that will dwarf John Danks. My guess is that Danks may be servicable at best - maybe a #3 or #4 starter, but certainly not worth his deal so it's obviously a bad contract for the White Sox, but is Robinson Cano at 30 years or so, with probably 3-4 good years remaining, a contract Seatlle will look back at as being worth it if he's bad for the majority of his deal making twice as much as Danks? -
QUOTE (The Ultimate Champion @ Feb 5, 2014 -> 11:31 PM) LOL You'd DFA Gillaspie over Dunn, Keppinger, Jordan Danks, a catcher, etc. etc. etc.? You're on a roll, too. Going....? Since Dunn and Keppinger have guaranteed deals, wouldn't it make logical sense that Gillaspie is expendable - IF - money plays any role? Secondly, even though Keppinger had a bad year, and isn't very good, Gillaspie isn't much better, if at all. I don't think his roster spot is in any way secure to even force the White Sox to keep him. In all reality, my guess is that both Keppinger/Gillaspie both open up the season as the 3B in some platoon situation. Davidson could win the job with a great spring, but I think they would prefer to not rush him and bring him up in June.
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That sounds about right - I'd say no more than 75 or 76 if things go right. This offense is full of outs and young talent. There is upside for improvement, but these young guys will have growing pains and a lineup of Viceido, Beckham, Abreau Flowers, Dunn, Keppinger (or Davidson) screams of nights with 4 or fewer runs.
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The next time Steve Roosenbloom has a positive thought about anything will be a revelation. I get the guy has made a career of being the cranky, funny, writer, but most of what I see (or hear from him) is just all negativity all the time. Does he like anything?
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QUOTE (The Ultimate Champion @ Jan 26, 2014 -> 06:37 PM) As things stand, best 2015 lineup: CF Eaton 2B Semien RF Garcia 1B Abreu DH Viciedo 3B Davidson C Nieto SS Leury LF Johnson (really pushing it here) Not a lot of power there though. And if Beckham FINALLY comes though (how long have we been saying this?) then things change considerably. And man would Castro look GREAT in there somewhere. There's a lot of outs in that lineup! Obviously, young guys can surprise, but expect growing pains with this lineup
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QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jan 1, 2014 -> 10:04 PM) Who would you trade to get that player? Alexei Ramirez? Rienzo? Nate Jones. DeAza alone probably isn't going to net that type of player. I agree, that's why I said it probably isn't going to happen this off-season, they have cashed in their chips to make the moves they have. They can get a piece for De Aza, just don't think it will be some top 100 prospect.
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I'd be surprised if they add a catcher outside the organization with any significant potential upside. I don't rule out a trade for a catcher, just don't know that they land anyone who makes the fan base feel better about the position. De Aza is probably going to get moved before spring training, but i don't know what sort of value he has - maybe he lands them a catcher of some ability, but outside of that, I think most of their moves have been made - adding some arms for spring training competition, landing some young talent to help immediately in CF, 1B and 3B. I'd love to find another young offensive player who is similar to Davidson (top 100), but doubt that happens this winter.
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2013-14 off season player movement thread
spiderman replied to southsider2k5's topic in The Diamond Club
QUOTE (flavum @ Dec 21, 2013 -> 11:25 AM) Choo to the Rangers. A 7 year deal? Who are they competing against for Choo? Maybe Seattle/Cincinnati, etc. were all in on this, but my first thought is that Texas got a really good player for the first 3 or so years. -
QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Dec 19, 2013 -> 04:33 PM) 11 minutes needed to repeat yourself? Um, ok. Maybe it's doubly important?
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There's just too many young players who have to pan out, and it's probably not realistic to expect all of them too. Some won't be quite ready, some will meet expectations, but even the ones who do are still developing into what they hopefully will become. From a pitching perspective, they have enough to compete right now, assuming they have a closer on the roster to finish off what should be some lower scoring games. They have a top 5 Starting pitcher, and Danks would have to step up into what they thought they were getting prior to his arm injury. Overall, it's just a young offense though, and I think that will be the main culprit.
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I had thought the theme of the Yankees off-season would be able to get under the luxury tax - was that just wrong, or does signing McCann / Elisbury / Cain somehow still work?
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Even if he wants to come back, they are handicapping the roster by keeping 3 1B/DH's. One of these guys is strictly a pinch hitter most days, and that's probably Konerko at this point of his career although I realize it can be argued that new guy may be protected against tough matchups, and Dunn still goes into his funks where having an alternative isn't a bad option. While these aren't awful explanations, I do think roster flexibility can't be the loser especially if they are a team that is dependent on strong starting pitching and lower scoring games where defense comes into focus.
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He's not coming back. They don't need 3 1B/DH types on the roster.
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QUOTE (SoxPride18 @ Sep 30, 2013 -> 01:54 PM) Completely agree with this. Although I see Viciedo improving with the right hitting coach the most. He's still only 23 and has raw talent is still there. Yes I know the power numbers weren't there, and doesn't walk often but he still hit 266. Next year if he can hit 265 with 25 HRs and 80 RBIs that would be great. And I could see Sox trading Beckham so Semein could start at 2B. Viciedo probably has one more year to show he can play in the majors as a regular. Another hitter though who doesn't walk so that's a problem. It's hard to have too much hope for a lineup that has so many easy outs (C, 1B, 2B, 3B, LF and Dunn's .217 average). Garcia is exciting and that's going to be fun, but what is else is there? Simeon may be a player, but would he be a prospect in any other system? I don't know. I do sort of expect the White Sox to be creative and move one of their starting pitching for another young hitting prospect who can be in the lineup next season.
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QUOTE (Buehrle>Wood @ Sep 30, 2013 -> 02:15 PM) If Keppinger could hit again in a true platoon, third base wouldn't be a problem They need to keep Keppenger in his utility role although giving a multi-year deal to a platoon/utility player is pretty dumb. In Keppinger's case, he doesn't hit enough to off-set his inability to get on base by a walk. Realistically, the White Sox are not likely to spend big money on any free agent unless they are playing poker right now are getting ready to shock everyone. They will probably make a series of smaller moves, some will work out/other's won't and that probably means Keppinger, assuming health, plays 120 games next season.
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QUOTE (Buehrle>Wood @ Sep 30, 2013 -> 01:45 PM) Most obvious move ever is signing McCann How old is McCain? How many years would be smart for a catcher? I'm hesitant to go crazy on a catcher, I'm more in the camp of signing somebody who can play defense.
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Were there any deals/discounted tickets for this Saturday's game? I thought I had heard something about highly discounted tickets, but can't find anything anywhere other than what people have on Stubhub. Anything know of any promo code / deals for this Saturday?
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QUOTE (Buehrle>Wood @ Sep 22, 2013 -> 02:34 PM) Johnson 6.2 IP 2R vs. The Tigers. Solid. It's been said around here often, but the rotation, with Johnson doing a nice job here in the last month of the season, looks very solid for next season. Obviously, there are no guarantees that this will hold up, and questions remain about pretty much in the rotation (not about Sale's stuff, but more durability). I don't want the White Sox to go on an off-season spending spree, but would love another chance at landing another Garcia type from another club, but not sure how they do that without moving a Quintana type. 1) Chris Sale 2) Jose Quintana 3) John Danks 4) Hector Santiago 5) Erik Johnson
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Peavy to Boston, Avisail Garcia + 3 low lv specs to Sox
spiderman replied to ChiliIrishHammock24's topic in Pale Hose Talk
I'm assuming that the White Sox aren't paying any of Peavy's salary ? -
Peavy to Boston, Avisail Garcia + 3 low lv specs to Sox
spiderman replied to ChiliIrishHammock24's topic in Pale Hose Talk
I haven't followed Middlebrooks, but wasn't he sent back to the minors for not performing this season? -
Peavy to Boston, Avisail Garcia + 3 low lv specs to Sox
spiderman replied to ChiliIrishHammock24's topic in Pale Hose Talk
QUOTE (Soxfest @ Jul 28, 2013 -> 10:17 PM) •The White Sox have shown no interest in absorbing any of the approximately $24MM owed Peavy and that, along with health concerns, are big issues for the Braves. Per Mlb rumors I think the consensus will be the White Sox didn't get enough back for Peavy (although that's probably the case for most trades when young/unknown talent is acquired). What are we thinking though as terms of adequate return - 1 top 10 talent in a minor league system? 2 in the top 15? 2 in the top 10? More? Less?