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QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Aug 17, 2012 -> 09:26 AM) You have to be careful when calling up guys when you are in a race for the playoffs. For one thing, if they really were all that good, they probably would already be on the team, so they probably won't play much. The other thing is, you don't want to crowd the clubhouse too much and make it uncomfortable for everyone. The Sox will obviously call up a few guys, but I would be shocked if its more than 4 or 5 and that number is probably high. The only for sure moves would be an additional catcher, bullpen arm and backup OF. They can probably find another reliever or two if they wanted, but the reality is, none of these call-ups are going to play at all (or extremely sparingly) if things go well in September.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Aug 17, 2012 -> 02:01 PM) I think that is the surprise. usually when they get extended in pitch totals is when they get the extra day. I'm also surprised that they aren't providing as much rest as they can to Peavy, Sale and Quintano. I realize there will be a point in time where they have to get their best starters on the mound as much as possible come September, but I do think there's been a clear benefit to getting them an extra day or two of rest when they can.

QUOTE (flavum @ Aug 17, 2012 -> 01:57 PM) I have to think there will be some adjustment made since Peavy isn't lined up to face the Tigers in either series. I'm pretty surprised Sale and Peavy are pitching on 4 days rest this weekend after their last outings. Isn't 4 days rest the "normal" rest that teams with a 5 man rotation use?

QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Aug 17, 2012 -> 06:34 AM) Sounds like Sale, Peavy, or Q needs a day off and will have a start skipped. Hopefully nothing serious. It's not going to happen, but I was hoping that Santiago could have started a game this weekend against KC and pushed everyone back. I'm not sure when his last start was and when he's available to pitch given that he's been starting games in the minors, but it would be nice to go back to the 6 man rotation at least for August.

A 3rd catcher, another utility IF, Jordan Danks, and maybe a speed guy for pinch running purposes - probably not much will be brought up for offense. Pitching, Hector Santiago will come up and may even get a start if the rotation gets taxed with Humber now in the bullpen. Axelrod will probably get a call up and maybe one or two of the other pitchers that were here earlier. All in all, I'd look for 7-8 players brought up, mostly for very specific situations.

QUOTE (soxfan49 @ Aug 13, 2012 -> 10:26 PM) IIRC, the Sox are now 4-17 in their last 21 in Toronto. I think I recall it being even worse, something like 28 of 33 games heading into this season in all games, not sure if I am recalling that correctly, but your numbers aren't surprising, this has been completely one sided for some time, and this is a bad time for this trend to carry on.

QUOTE (Noonskadoodle @ Aug 13, 2012 -> 09:55 PM) Always brutal when you lose such a winnable game & blow a chance to create seperation with the Tigers. Toronto owns the White Sox.

Morel is hot garbage. He can't hit. Not that the other options are much better, but Dan Johnson is probably the temporary option that I'd make.

QUOTE (Melissa1334 @ Aug 7, 2012 -> 02:00 PM) with all these free agents, the sox really need to find someone to take on thorntons contract. 5.5 mil is way too much for him Correct - Thornton and Floyd make a combined $15 million (or so) next season. I think they need to clear both of these deals off their books. That gives them some flexibility to sign one (or two) of their free agents.

With so many solid teams in the AL, it seems unlikely to me that most of the teams will be able to just steamroll their way through. I think most of these teams will have their share of ups and downs, point being, if the White Sox are able to get 90 wins, that may be enough for a wildcard.

QUOTE (hammerhead johnson @ Aug 7, 2012 -> 11:36 AM) Man, that can't be. A 36 year old catcher who is having an outlier year will be offensive priority #1? Yikes. It's gotta be Youkilis. AJ is my favorite player on the team, but who cares if he goes elsewhere? This is no spring chicken we're talking about. It's debatable for sure

QUOTE (Jose Paniagua @ Aug 7, 2012 -> 10:07 AM) I would be fine with Morel if healthy enough to bring that defense. Reason being: we are free to upgrade positions other than 3B to make up the difference. Many ways to win. You can't have a 3B who can't hit. I don't care if he can cover the entire infield by himself. Morel is a .230-.240 hitter with questionable power and that's optimistic. I don't know if Youkalis will ultimatley be back - as I said earlier, the amount of financial resources and the market value will play a long way to determining what Williams does (or doesn't) do. In all reality, the value of the free agents they do have (Youkalis, Peavy, Liriano, Myers, AJ) will probably price them out of keeping all of them so it's going to be a numbers game and it'll be an interesting debate to see how the White Sox value this list - my guess is that AJ will be seen as the most valuable offensive piece and that Liriano the most valuable pitcher, but that's just a guess. I don't even rule out Morel playing a role on the roster next season - Youkalis is hardly a guarantee to be back, just don't think Morel can be handed a job.

Attendance tonight?

QUOTE (daggins @ Aug 6, 2012 -> 03:37 PM) P sure most teams aren't that high on Gavin, which is why he didn't get moved this deadline. Q, even as a 4/5, has more value and can get a bigger bat. Unless they trade Gavin for pieces of a larger package, which is a possibility. I think he has value, and he'd have value as a #3 starter in the NL. In the AL, the last few season's, he's been slightly above 4.00, pretty respectable. This year, it's not gone nearly as well, but he still is durable (outside of the issue that he had this season) and good for 200 IP. I do think he'll likely be moved, I doubt they get a can't miss prospect in return, but I think they can something of value to help their minor league system.

I think it's ridiculous to make any concrete statements right now on the future of the White Sox. I doubt Kenny Williams knows much of anything right now - he probably will have a payroll in the area where it's at now, and he'll have a lot of key free agents so he'll have to see what salary he can clear to keep the pieces that are going to hit in free agency. He may prefer one player over another, but the market may dictate the cheaper option. A lot will happen here, and for players like Youkalis and Peavy, with their player options, we also can't rule out signing one or both to a 2 year deal before deciding on the options that gives them financial certainty in return for less money per year.

QUOTE (Cali @ Aug 5, 2012 -> 06:14 PM) I'm 95% sure Kenny will sell high on Q this off-season (Assuming he doesn't completely implode here down the stretch...which is looking likely after his last few starts) I also think Liriano is back. I think selling Quintano on a high (assuming he finishes the season pitching well) does make sense, but so does keeping him for the cost certainty. I think the White Sox need, along with Sale, to have 1-2 other starters making low money. I think it's reasonable to assume that the 5th starter will be someone making a low MLB salary (Santiago? Axelrod? etc). I think it's pretty certain that Sale/Danks (assuming health for both) are guaranteed to be in the rotation as well so that leaves 2 open spots - Peavy/Liriano/Floyd are all in the mix, but they probably will need to move Floyd to clear some salary, and if Liriano does pitch well down the stretch, he may be the Peavy replacement (at much less money).

QUOTE (Quinarvy @ Aug 5, 2012 -> 12:27 AM) Choose five. I'm going Sale, Quintana, Peavy, Liriano and an new RH (I'll take a shot in the dark and say E-Jax). I feel Sale and Quintana are the two locks. I think Peavy and the Sox come together on a deal in the $13M-$15M range for three years, plus his buy out. I think Liriano pitches fantastically down the stretch and Coop wants him to stick around. Then, I think Humber/Floyd/Danks are all gone via trade. Floyd in a Quentinesque dump. For some reason, I also feel some team would just take Danks + Humber for another Quentin type deal. Then I feel Coop would try to get E-Jax back as the right hander...him or McCarthy. I'd like a five of Sale-Peavy-Liriano-Jackson-Quintana. Four pitchers with nasty stuff and Buehrle Jr. It's going to be extremely interesting to see what Kenny Williams does this off-season. Youk (club option), AJ, Peavy (club option), Liriano, are all free agents (or likely to be). I don't see how the White Sox can compete without keeping (or replacing Peavy with a similar talent) Peavy, and I'm not necessarily against picking up the option to ensure he's back and keeping him motivated to pitch for a new deal. Saying that, that's a ton of money to invest in 1 player so I don't expect them do vest the option. I think AJ has to be brought back, and it's probably another 2 year deal, but for more money. Youk needs to come back as well because they don't have anything that can play 3B (Sorry Morel, you suck). So, they will probably need to move Floyd's contract for a prospect - that will probably allow them to bring back Youk or AJ. How they have enough money for the other 3 though is going to be tough. My guess for the rotation right now will be 1) Sale 2) Danks 3)Quintana 4)???? 5) Santiago (or some low cost option to round out the rotation) The ???? is some veteran whether it's Peavy or some other move that Williams makes.

Probably will be around 6:30 CT

There's a long way to go, the Sox are juggling their rotation to get their question marks some additional rest, and there's not a lot of easy competition in the AL. Detroit is a top heavy team - some great players, but that rotation is hardly lock down. Bad defensive club. It's going to be very interesting.

QUOTE (JoeCoolMan24 @ Jul 31, 2012 -> 02:40 PM) Have we heard the Sox mentioned even once yet today? I don't think we have. It's been WAAAAAAAy quiet from the Sox front office so far...... They have made 3 trades though in a month, which is probably more than any team in baseball.

QUOTE (Jake @ Jul 31, 2012 -> 02:08 PM) Even if nothing happens, I just want to know what we were trying to do. lol My guess is that they may be floating his name just to keep their name in conversations in case something unexpected comes up. I'm sure Kenny Williams has looked into every impact player he can that makes sense to the team, he probably doesn't give up easy.

I'm still not buying it. The bottom line is that they have 3 starters who have durability concerns. Unless Williams is using Floyd as part of a deal to improve the starting rotation, I don't think there's a deal to be made in the next hour, and I willl be shocked if he's part of a deal for an upgrade on offense.

QUOTE (balfanman @ Jul 31, 2012 -> 10:31 AM) Thank you; it's a good feeling to have your back covered when you have to step away for a while. The Sox have a very solid rotation when they are all healthy and rested. Quite frankly, they are not currently in that state. You're referring to one starter right now though who stands out (Sale) - and they aren't shutting him down as of yet. Yes, everyone should be concerned with Sale, Peavy and Quintana, but that's why the White Sox added Liriano to the mix so that they could have options in the month of August, with some off days mixed in, to get some of these guys extra rest.

QUOTE (balfanman @ Jul 31, 2012 -> 07:16 AM) No, they do not have 5 solid starters. I'm not sure if they have 2 - 3 currently. Quintana the last couple of starts, Sale both have dead arms, who knows if they can pitch worth a s*** the rest of the way. Peavy hasn't pitched a full season in years, he too is very likely to have a dead arm before long. Humber, Floyd, who knows what they're going to provide. I said it in another thread, but the safest bet of bunch right now may be Lariano, and who really knows with him too. The Sox most definitely do not have 5 dependable starters right now and I fear that this could be their undoing this season. Peavy, Sale, Floyd, Liriano and Quintana is a solid rotation. If you think only 2 or 3 of them are solid, you have extremely unrealistic expectations. That's not to say they don't come with concerns, but the White Sox most definitely have a solid rotation, one through five.

I think it's a utility player or nothing. He's already added 3 players and bolstered the club, now it's just adding maybe one guy off the bench.