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QUOTE (SOXOBAMA @ Jul 16, 2012 -> 03:05 PM) If we trade Viciedo for Greinke. Make another deal with MN for Willingham. Milwaukee would be crazy to do this.

QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Jul 16, 2012 -> 08:54 AM) Sounds like Greinke wants crazy money and is going to test free agency no matter what. I think that and his bizarre personality will turn some teams off. I wouldn't count out the Sox if we're willing to trade Castro. He is pretty much an immediate replacement and has a fairly high upside. I don't know if other teams would offer a prospect as talented and close to the majors. If we combine him with another solid pitching prospect (Rienzo or Johnson) and a solid position playing prospect (Saladino, Thompson, or Walker) we just might have enough to make a fairly interesting offer. Castro isn't a top prospect, and not one we can use to get an elite pitcher. Most teams have plenty of guys with a higher minor league rating.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jul 15, 2012 -> 02:07 AM) It would take more than Mitchell and Flowers at this point. Mitchell is collapsing, and Flowers just isn't able to make contact with a fastball at all when he plays every 10-15 days. OTOH, 10 HR's and 52 RBI's is very impressive for someone who plays 1/2 of his game at BIRM, although the .247 average needs to be at least in the .270's or maybe high .260's to look like progress. Flowers? Why would anyone want him?

QUOTE (Greyone @ Jul 7, 2012 -> 11:11 PM) We are facing @ KC (3), @ Boston (4), @ Det (3), after the All Star game. Floyd. Quintana. Peavy. Sale. Axelrod. This way Peavy and Sale start the Detroit series. I think they are likely to set it up like this so they can have their best for Detroit. I think Humber has a chance to be back in the rotation for Axelrod - tomorrow's game may help decide that, but that will be the 5th starter out of the break.

QUOTE (TitoMB @ Jun 26, 2012 -> 01:39 PM) So, Robin really is just going to f*** with Beckham. Phenomenal. Youkalis, if he's healthy, has been a very good on base guy, right? Beckham has hit better, but I don't think he has locked down that spot in the lineup especially with Youkalis here.

How do the White Sox make a trade for Youkilis if they can't take on cash (in other words, buy him from Boston) and don't have much to offer in terms of minor league talent if they can't just take on the contract? Don't the White Sox have to trade money for money?

With Sale, Peavy and Quintana holding together (although, each have obvious concerns), it really does come down to Gavin Floyd getting things together, and leaving one question mark, which is hopefully John Danks, who may end up serving as a quasi-trade addition if he doesn't have a serious arm injury and can return in the next 1-2 months. As for the 5th spot, Humber's clearly in need of a good start tonight else I do think they will make a switch, whether it's Axelrod, or some other option. Unfortunately, the White Sox are regressing back to .500 quickly here, hope they can get things right in LA against a good team.

QUOTE (soxmaniac! @ Jun 8, 2012 -> 03:43 PM) our outfield is pretty deep and we have good prospects in our system. i see no reason to overpay for soler power Who are the prospects? Mitchell is playing better, but hasn't he dropped off the top prospect radar? I think it's reasonable to have high expectations for Hawkins, but the rest of the propsects are guys like Jordan Danks, right?

What is the national perspective (guys like Callis, Goldstein, etc.) on how the White Sox are doing? They seem to have gotten good value with the 1st round pick, but what about the rest?

I think he'll be in the .230-.245 range - I assume that will lead to an increase in HR's so hopefully this will get him back near 30 HR (and that is still a little of a let down playing half your games in US Cellular).

Since I only go to games typically with 3 or 4 other people, and we drive together, it's not that big a deal although the cost to park your car in a lot blocks away from the stadium has long surpassed ridiculous levels (as has the price of food/beer, etc), but people are willing to pay it (generally speaking).

I think it's a no-risk move, and there's possible upside. For starters, the White Sox have 3 projected OF starters who each bring a level of uncertainty - Rios is coming off a horrendous season, De Aza is 27 (or so) years old and unproven for a pro-longed MLB opportunity and Viceido, although with upside, is a very young player. It's possible that all 3 have productive seasons, but it's also possible, maybe likely, that at least one struggles. Fukadome is a good defensive OF so, at worst, he's a competent late inning defensive player, and a another left handed bat who has the ability to get on base. He will probably be used early on more just because of trying to find the most favorable matchups, but this move also gives Lillibridge a greater opportunity to play some IF, and possibly take over at 2B if Beckham doesn't get the job done.

Is anyone shocked that Hawk is optimistic about the White Sox? They lost Mark Buehrle (which probably was the correct thing), traded their closer (which creates a question mark until Addison Reed proves he can handle the job), and their 2nd best power hitter/run producer from last year. In return, they got help for the future, although no top prospects and more middling types. They also depend heavily on 3 guys needing big years (Peavy, Dunn and Rios) as well as a starting rotation with no ace holding it together with Peavy, and 2 unproven talents (Sale, who does have a good future, and Humber). I'm not saying the White Sox can't surprise, but the facts don't matter to Hawk.

QUOTE (fathom @ Jan 14, 2012 -> 07:59 PM) Jake's trying to make us like him again http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseb...0,4465371.story All he has really done is ensure that Joe Cowley will spend the entire season ripping Peavy. Regardless of Peavy's thoughts about Ozzie Guillen, he really needs to shut up, and be ready to pitch when the season begins. I don't really care what an overpaid, injury prone pitcher thinks. Maybe I'll care what he says if he contributes more.

I'm not sure I'm understanding why the White Sox would even consider Jackson. It's time to find out if guys like Axelrod and Stewart can pitch. The White Sox aren't about to spend $10+ million, even on a 1 year deal for him.

I don't care how good Montero is projected to be. Why does Seattle trade a guy who looks like a dominating pitcher, a potential #1 type and who is very young? I don't understand why Seattle is making this trade. Am I over-hyping Pineda?

QUOTE (gatnom @ Jan 9, 2012 -> 01:35 PM) It's certainly possible, but Docsox, the guy with the best sources on this site by far, has been saying for a very long time that we would be resigning Danks. I really don't think Kenny ever planned on trading him, at least not for a realistic package. I think they fully intended on trading Danks, but were underwhelmed by the return they could get for him so they made the decision to resign him. I don't think they had resigning him as a likely option.

QUOTE (JoeBatterz @ Jan 1, 2012 -> 01:26 PM) Wake me up when the rebuilding is over. Is this rebuilding as much as just dumping salaries? Most of these guys they are acquiring don't seem to grade out to anything more than back of the rotation starters, maybe bullpen guys - and that's if they pan out. They probably have improved their minor league system a little, but it was so bad to begin with, and it's still very bad. There's not much to rebuild with in the minors.

QUOTE (2nd_city_saint787 @ Dec 30, 2011 -> 02:10 PM) has it been discussed on here somewhere what the lineup would be if Qs not traded?? if rios is the rios from last year do they bench him? If rios is 2010 rios who leads off?? Which would be your ideal lineup next year if Q stays? 1. De aza 2. Gordo 3. PK 4. dunn 5 Q 6 Dayan 7 AJ 8 lexi 9. morel or if we get the good rios 1. Lexi 2 gordo 3 pk 4 dunn 5 Q 6 dayan 7 AJ 8 rios 9 morel De Aza is likely to be the lead-off hitter unless he shows he can't do the job, but if Quentin does come back, they would rotate the 4 OF (Rios, Quentin, De Aza, and Viceido) not to mention Dunn as Ventura suggested and Lillibridge. So, it's probably a crowded OF even without him. I don't see how Beckham can hit any higher than 8 or 9 unless he proves he can hit major league pitching. Personally, I would love to see Lillibridge get a chance to win the job in spring training, but I don't know if he'll get that chance with him being seen as a valuable utility type. Konerko will be 3rd and Dunn will be 4th to open the season, and Viceido will probably bat 5th depending on where Rios is.

QUOTE (gatnom @ Dec 27, 2011 -> 12:36 AM) All you had to do was non tender Frasor, and you would have a spot for Reed in the pen, which would mean a better bullpen from top to bottom for approximately the same price (I think actually less). This sends me a pretty clear message that there are priorities higher than fielding the best team this year. Once again, this doesn't exactly mean they are going to trade people away if they feel they are getting inadequate value. Quentin is the only person I think they HAVE to trade at this point. We need to be able to see what both De Aza and Viciedo can do at the major league level this year. The White Sox though believe that starting pitcher is extremely important, and they couldn't pass on what they view as a future member of their starting rotation. Along with believing that Reed can fill the closer spot, these are obviously two risks than could hurt the club next season, although it could help the team in 2013 if Molina is able to secure a rotation spot. I don't disagree with not tendering Frasor though. I still don't understand that move. Maybe they still move him, but I can't imagine he'd bring much in return, but it seems like a luxury for a team that claims to have payroll issues. I still think both Quentin and Floyd are moved this off-season.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Dec 16, 2011 -> 08:28 PM) The only direction that's logical for a FA is trading Thornton and then replacing him with another "journeyman" type in the realm of Arthur Rhodes or Darren Oliver. Don't trust Ohman at all as the primary LH guy in late inning, pressure situations. We'll find out quickly enough if they want to waste a year of Santiago's development as a starter to make him the 2nd lefty in the pen. Correct, that the's type of move I was thinking about, where you open a spot by moving a veteran and then either fill from within or with a cheap free agent. If the case of Thornton, I think they would give that role to Santiago, but it does at least open the possibility of a free agent move in the bullpen. I don't think trading Danks/Floyd would result in adding another starter since they do have enough options (Sale, Peavy, Danks/Floyd, Humber, Stewart, Axelrod), although the level of quality will certainly be the question about this group.

QUOTE (pittshoganerkoff @ Dec 16, 2011 -> 11:45 AM) Floyd could be a good fit for the Pirates. He's relatively inexpensive, and they seem like they're going to try to contend (at least more so than in the past). Both Marte and Moskos are intriguing, but it seems like Marte might have a higher upside. Good point on Floyd - I think he's under contract for 2 more seasons meaning his contract would be a fixed cost for the Pirates. He does make good coin, but another benefit of acquiring him is that they could move him next off-season or before the trading deadline prior to his free agency if the Pirates are unable to contend and perhaps recoup a prospect. Floyd would seem to be a good option for any of the mid/smaller markets team in need of pitching. I think he would have more of a market than Danks right now with Danks impending free agency and his contract demands. That's a big financial committment and prospects.

I really do see the White Sox adding any free agents until well after the New Year's when bargain basement shopping would be done (maybe not even then), AND the White Sox have executed their off-season plan, presumably moving Carlos Quentin and possibly a few pitchers amongst Danks/Floyd/Thornton. If they do trade away a few of their own, they may have just enough loose change to sign a couple veterans for cheap, 1 year deals to provide some semblance of depth (maybe a 4th OF behind De Aza, Viceido and Rios although they may just stick with Lillibridge) although I still think that what is already here will make up nearly all of the 25 man roster.

QUOTE (Marty34 @ Dec 8, 2011 -> 06:39 PM) 1.) Sox get solid pitching prospect for Santos 2.) Pujols leaving Cardinals has to invigorate Brewers/Reds/Pirates making Floyd more attractive 3.) Rangers lose starter making Danks more attractive. 4.) Didn't overpay for Buehrle. 1) Correct - they did get a solid prospect for Santos although he probably won't be of any help for the 2012 team. Hopefully, he will be a candidate for the rotation in 2013 asssuming he continues to be a good minor league prospect. In the short-term, the Sox go into spring training in a very similar spot to last season - without knowing who their closer is, although we can probably rule out Matt Thornton (if he is even with the team). 2/3) I think the White Sox may have been caught off-guard on the Danks/Floyd market. For starters, I don't know that they will get back what they think they would have when the off-season began, and, if they can't get back what they were hoping, that could drastically change their plans, considering they still need to trim payroll and may have to decide between taking a lesser deal or finding another way to re-configure the roster, and add a few prospects. 4) I agree that it was a smart move to let Buerhle go. He may end proving me wrong and pitching well for the next 4 years, but A) The White Sox cannot afford another large contract and B) I believe that that last 2 years (maye more) will prove to be bad (or at least mediocre) money. I can't say that the winter meetings were a success for the White Sox, but the meetings are also just a small portion of the off-season and there's plenty of time for the White Sox to execute their off-season plan, whatever that is.

QUOTE (Buehrle>Wood @ Dec 8, 2011 -> 01:11 PM) PK isn't going anywhere. We still need some revenue from ticket sales, you know. Considering that the White Sox struggle at times to break 20-25K in the summer time weeknight games, I really don't think the fans are going to games because Konerko is on the team. I just think the fanbase is so small, the only way to draw large crowds is a strong start to the season and being a consistent winner - even this just keeps you in the mid 20's, maybe low 30's here and there.