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QUOTE (bucket-of-suck @ Nov 29, 2011 -> 10:32 AM) Salary dump for decent prospect unless part of a package. I don't think they will get much in return. He's making $6 million per for the next two seasons, and is 34 or 35 years old, which makes him a high priced middle relief risk. I think they will be able to move him, but would be surprised if they got anything outside of salary relief.

QUOTE (VictoryMC98 @ Nov 27, 2011 -> 11:23 PM) Who are the White Sox 5 legit starters? Danks and Floyd are legitimate starters, though I don't think either are (or will be) elite, just good/solid MLB starters. Humber is a guy who is good to have, making no money, and having to prove that last year wasn't a fluke. Sale isn't legit - yet - but does have good upside. Next season will be a learning year for him. Axelrod/Stewart are just bottom of the rotation candidates, hardly legitimate. It's hard for me to think that this team is serious about winning next season (and maybe they shouldn't be) if the don't resign Buerhle, and I'm not sure that's such a good idea given the money it will take.

QUOTE (2nd_city_saint787 @ Nov 10, 2011 -> 11:27 AM) why when you still potentially have Danks Floyd Sale Peavy Humber/Stewart/Axlerod/ maybe someone they get in a CQ trade? beat me to it Flavum I don't think that's more than an average rotation to be honest. You can't count on starters #3 through #5 (and I love Sale). Floyd and Danks are pretty solid, but both need to be dropped down a notch.

QUOTE (flavum @ Nov 10, 2011 -> 11:26 AM) Uh...no. You have Peavy, Danks, and Floyd in their contract years, Humber and Sale, and a pretty decent bullpen. Along with unmovable contracts in Dunn and Rios. They try to win next year by having everything go right. If it doesn't, they have the trade deadline and next offseason to continue the dismantling. Will it suck to have Buehrle leave? Yeah, kind of. But by no means do I want them to give him 3 guaranteed years at this point. Pretty much, they have to hope that Rios and Dunn rebound to fix the offense, and just enough pitching to stay competitve if the offense can turn things around. I don't expect the Sox to sign any significant free agents, perhaps they go back to an old formula and add a player coming off an injury and/or down year, and they don't have much in the minors so the major league roster will just need to play better.

QUOTE (fathom @ Nov 10, 2011 -> 11:24 AM) With all the teams interested in Buehrle now, there's no doubt in my mind that it's best if Sox let him go. He is going to get more money than the team can afford with the rest of the budget issues. Use that money to extend Danks. Correct, if the Sox are being hindered by payroll restrictions, and can only afford to extend one pitcher, the obvious answer is John Danks.

QUOTE (Marty34 @ Nov 10, 2011 -> 11:21 AM) If Buehrle goes do they tear it all down? I think they do and every player should be available. Fine, but who takes Peavy, Rios and Dunn? Secondly, does losing Mark Buerhle from a losing team mean the GM should tear it all down? Shouldn't not being a good team with him result in that?

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Nov 11, 2011 -> 03:13 PM) Of course, doing that would leave us with either 6 starters or with Sale in the bullpen, again. They could move both Floyd/Danks, and try to bring back 3 or 4 B (or better) prospects, with maybe 1 or 2 who could be in the majors next season, still re-sign Buerhle and move Sale to the rotation. Of course, I don't think resigning Buerhle makes much sense if you're going to trade for younger players. If it's down to 1 guy getting a long-term deal, it's Danks over Buerhle. If they do resign Buerhle and keep Floyd (but not Danks since they may make the argument that Sale would replace Danks as a lefty in the rotation), then it's, in no order.....Buerhle, Floyd, Sale, Peavy and Humber as the likely starting rotation with Stewart/Axelrod and perhaps a pitcher from another organization being in the mix.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Nov 11, 2011 -> 02:39 PM) If we were to bring back Quentin and Danks, but Lose M-56, the payroll sits somewhere around $113 million right now. And bringing back Buerhle puts the payroll, if your other things you mentioned happened, puts the payroll at about $125 Interesting... I still think Quentin and Danks/Floyd is gone.

QUOTE (justBLAZE @ Nov 11, 2011 -> 11:14 AM) FWIW, Kenny Williams did say to the media (drining to wite here) that the 2012 payroll will be slighty less than 2011 one. If that's true, I'm surprised. Then again, let's say that they have to decrease payroll by $5 million. How much does letting Vizquel/Pierre and the E.Jackson/M.Teahan trade offset the increase in salaries to guys like Floyd, Danks and Quentin?

QUOTE (Chet Kincaid @ Nov 8, 2011 -> 04:08 PM) Brian Bruney? Sweet! Go ahead and sign Randy Williams too while you're at it. Bruney is bad, but if he's the last reliever on the team, I'm ok with him earning that roster spot. At least he has had some success with the Sox.

QUOTE (DirtySox @ Nov 7, 2011 -> 10:30 PM) Ken_Rosenthal Ken Rosenthal Sources: #Marlins will meet with Buehrle on Tuesday, Reyes on Wednesday and Cespedes on Thursday. #MLB 54 seconds ago Favorite Retweet Reply It would probably extend his career to go the NL, I'm just not sure I'd want to pitch for a team nobody cares about (then again, he just came from the White Sox) and maybe he has Ozzie hangover (then again, if Florida's willing to pay)....

QUOTE (whitesox901 @ Nov 7, 2011 -> 07:03 PM) Since the Sox will only trade for Major League talent, is it safe assume the Sox will probably field the same team next season that is on the current 25 man roster? Assuming of course they don't trade off Danks, Floyd, Quentin, etc Danks or Floyd (maybe both, but likely at least one) and Quentin are going to be moved. Willams claims he wants only major league ready talent in return for trades, but it's possible that he could take back talent that's a year or two away from reaching the majors and still be able to field a starting rotation (Peavy, Buerhle (if resigned), Danks/Floyd (pick one), Stewart/Axelrod (pick one), Humber and Sale). They actually have another in-house arms to have a rotation although it's probably not a very good one, and Quentin can be moved for a younger as well with De Aza/Viceido/Rios/Lillibridge in the OF.

QUOTE (RockRaines @ Oct 31, 2011 -> 02:16 PM) Yes, I think he will be moved for sure. And also one or both of Danks/Floyd. Quentin should also be a goner. The coaching staff and FO (baseball related) clearly think that the team was good enough to win last season but underperformed due to some circumstances beyond their control. Ozzie and his coaches took alot of that heat and ultimately the fall. What type of prospects will be received (say Grade A, B, or C)? Do you think the players received will be ready to help the major league team as Williams claims?

QUOTE (RockRaines @ Oct 31, 2011 -> 02:07 PM) I think they do. There was a reason he was one of the first guys up this year. You have Ohman to be the first loogy out of the pen and Santiago the second and long man from the left side. I firmly believe that almost every player on next years team is already in our system or on our roster. I tend to agree that the 25 man roster is pretty much in place, but do expect Quentin/Danks or Floyd to be moved. I also don't think Buerhle will be back, but don't think it's out of the question that they surprise me and bring him back. Do you think Thornton is moved then?

QUOTE (mataipaepae @ Oct 31, 2011 -> 12:55 PM) how about giving this guy a 1 year deal and see if he can be our centerfielder and leadoff? if he can remain healthy he could really help out our offense alot. Of course, it will come down to money, but this is the type of guy they will try to sign - maybe not him, but someone coming off a down year who they can get at a buyer's price. I do think they need another veteran OF - I don't feel comfortable with De Aza and Rios getting regular playing time without earning it next season. The same is probably true of Vicedio as well. *Adding a 4th OF is a moot point if they keep Quentin OR decide that Lillibridge is that guy for cheap money.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Oct 31, 2011 -> 01:56 PM) The problem is that I find it hard to see them trading him until he shows he's less bad than he was last year. Good point. It could be that the White Sox wanted some veteran arm like him there, but plan on moving somebody else then - I just don't see the White Sox, given that they will be cutting back on payroll, not moving 1-2 arms out of that pen. Then again, I think Frasor only has the 1 year deal so maybe that makes him somewhat attractive rather than signing a middle reliever to a 3 year deal on the market.

QUOTE (RockRaines @ Oct 31, 2011 -> 01:08 PM) Hector says hi. Do we really consider Hector depth? He's unproven.

QUOTE (flavum @ Oct 31, 2011 -> 01:45 PM) Didn't realize that one post had two Ohman's, so yeah, let's have this bullpen and call it a day... Axelrod, Reed, Ohman, Frasor, Crain, Thornton, Santos Trade Floyd and re-sign Buehrle. Buehrle, Peavy, Danks, Humber, Sale. I'm sorry, but I think this pitching staff can contend if things go right (Dunn, Rios, and Beckham get good). I think there's still a very good chance that they trade Frasor. I know the end of the season was probably unfair to judge what had been a dependable middle-reliever, but considering they had some depth in the bullpen, I'm surprised that they decided to pick up the option.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Oct 22, 2011 -> 05:49 PM) This roster as-is can compete if the big 4 do their jobs. I'm gonna lump that on the manager and the coaching staff. They utterly failed last year. Now another group gets a chance to get them back into the game. What rotation/starting 5 are you referring to? Keeping Buerhle and paying him $10+ plus on a 2 year deal?? I would assume if they decide to bring him back, they will have to cut back even more in other areas than they already are probably thinking. Sale is going to be in the rotation next season, but does it make sense to have 3 lefties with Buerhle and Danks also there? I like Sale's future, but also realize that he's probably due for a reality check in his first full season as a starting pitcher. Floyd and Danks are both solid, but I'm not sure either will ever be more than that. Humber should be in the rotation because he makes no money, just the same, Peavy should be in the rotation because he makes a lot of money, but I have little confidence in either being dependable for a full season. I see this rotation, if they keep two of 3 between Buerhle/Danks/Floyd, add Sale to go with Peavy and Humber as competent, but hardly spectacular.

He's clearing going to be trading players, whether he wants to admit that he's shopping them or just listening. Ideally, he would acquire major league ready young talent, but he's going to have to clear out payroll and that puts AJ, Danks, Floyd, Quentin, Thornton all on the block.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Oct 21, 2011 -> 09:11 AM) It isn't a hard and fast rule, but they discourage it. That's why Selig is talking about stepping in between Boston and Chicago because they are distracting from a great series so far. A great series that nobody cares about. Selig is out of touch on this rule.

QUOTE (Chet Kincaid @ Oct 21, 2011 -> 10:33 AM) Ha... like news of the Chicago White Sox hiring an inexperienced bench coach and hitting coach for an inexperienced manager's staff is really going to take away attention from the World Series. That's a silly rule. I could see if they were talking about Ozzie's move during the World Series, but a bench and hitting coach? Silly. Does anyone besides us rabid White Sox fans even care? I don't think MLB would care about a team making a bench coach move, They do seem to care about manager/GM type of moves, but, again, they shouldn't.

QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Oct 21, 2011 -> 09:05 AM) I think the MLB doesnt like anything taking the shine off the world series. They were really pissed at Boras in 2007 for announcing that Arod was opting out of his deal It's really a stupid rule. Have they seen their ratings? Nobody cares about the World Series. They should be willing and should embrace any/all baseball related news that people are interested in.

QUOTE (kitekrazy @ Oct 17, 2011 -> 09:53 PM) Ozzie is gone. Robin is in. Cowley no longer serves a purpose. I could care less what Ozzie via Coward says anymore. Can we move on? Did they find a hitting coach yet? I have moved on, Cowley hasn't, and I'm sure he'll write another 2 or 3 columns this winter alone with comments from Guillen on something Sox related. Cowley is going to run that story into the ground (as if he wasn't already) since he thinks it's an attention grabber for him. I heard some of the recent Ozzie comments, but didn't read the column. Why? Because I'm sick of hearing about the conflict over the last 2 years. Just exhausted from it. Without even taking a side on the conflict, the bottom line is that I'm a White Sox fan and that will continue regardless of the fallout. I don't think Cowley understands that.

QUOTE (RockRaines @ Oct 17, 2011 -> 02:20 PM) They arent really rebuilding, especially since you have large veteran salaries that you cannot move or replace. They are more restructuring by moving some movable players and replacing them with lower cost alternatives that hopefully have the same or greater production. They can't truly rebuild because of the Peavy/Dunn/Rios salaries that strangle the club's payroll. If they move Danks and Floyd and Buerhle signs elsewhere, it's hard for me to believe they aren't rebuilding, no matter what they say. I agree it's more of a restructuring if they move Quentin to free a spot for Viceido, but it's hard for me to see this team competing if they lose Buerhle, Floyd and/or Danks and replace them with young talent. It may be good moves for the long run, provided that they acquire talent that pans out, but it makes it hard to compete in the near term. Realistically, I think the goal of the White Sox will be to shed $20-$30 million this off-season and acquire as much young talent as possible.