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QUOTE(beck72 @ Jul 26, 2007 -> 07:49 PM) So you don't think Joe will be productive and worth that $5 mill? I disagree. By all accounts, Joe should be ready to go. And who plays LF, with Fields at 3B, that you can sign for $5 mill? The sox can probably pay a bullpen guy and Crede for the money the sox would have to pay a free agent who can play LF and put up Crede's numbers. I agree some money should be spent on the bullpen. But are you going to stock up with big money guys ala the Orioles? The sox will probably trade for one reliever and sign another. And find a few guys from the system who can be solid. Jenks, MacDougle, Logan, Thorton are most likely part of the bullpen next season, but I would agree that I would love to see one veteran brought in to help in the 7th/8th innings. The problem is those veteran bullpen arms are so inconsistent year to year, it's hard to know exactly what you are getting until they pitch. If we can add one veteran, then there are still another 1-2 spots open, but I'm guessing those will be kept inhouse, and then they will also hope/pray that MacDougle rebounds.

Renteria did struggle in his only year in the AL with Boston a few seasons ago, and has been very good in the NL....What is his contract status ? Obvious Problems: 1) If we trade Garland, I'd think it would have to be for 2 younger players with not much money coming back. Renteria, I'm guessing, makes pretty good coin. 2) While the White Sox probably do need to consider moving Garland because of his contract status, moving him also makes it less likely that the White Sox will be contenders in the AL Central given that they would be depending on young starters (and we've seen how the Sox minor league system hasn't been productive) The benefits: 1) Juan Uribe era is over. He's horrible, and Renteria could bat at the top of the lineup. 2) Garland probably won't be resigned, and the White Sox move him for a player who can help now. -------- I would not make this trade simply because of the financials though. Our payroll looks so strapped that it's nearly impossible to make trades unless it's for exclusively young talent.

QUOTE(greg775 @ Jul 22, 2007 -> 09:23 PM) Trade Contreras to the Mets for a minor league shortstop. Or trade him to the Braves for somebody. I don't care if the White Sox get anything back for Contreras. If we are lucky enough to find a team that is willing to take his contract, be happy with that. Even if we have to write a check to cover a small portion, take that and be happy with that as well.

I would start Floyd in Game 2, and move him to the bullpen if he is halfway decent. I know his future is as a starter, but until Contreras is moved, we don't have an opening in the rotation, and that bullpen is just god awful. If he keep his ERA below 5.00, he'd be a major upgrade (sad to say) in our bullpen. Hopefully, though, Contreras is moved in the next 10 days....

QUOTE(Balta1701 @ Jul 22, 2007 -> 04:46 PM) Yes. Like I keep saying, this team needs to get younger and cheaper. If we can't get something out of the guys we currently have in our minors (Anderson, Sweeney, Floyd, Gio, Owens, Richar), then either we need to move a couple guys to find young talent to fill those holes (Garland?) or we need to just blow it all up, take a top-of-the-draft pick the next 3-4 years, and come out hopefully as stocked as the Tigers are now. They need 2 or 3 younger players to step up, and take some of these holes (SS, 2B, LF, CF, RF), and then they do probably need to trade 2 out of 3 between Contreras, and then either Garland or Vazquez.

QUOTE(Kalapse @ Jul 22, 2007 -> 05:50 PM) It's 10 players that are guaranteed ~$79M. Are we talking about AJ, Konerko, Thome, Buerhle, Garland, MacDougle, Thorton, Jenks, Vazquez, and Contreras ? Is Uribe included in this ?

QUOTE(fathom @ Jul 22, 2007 -> 03:59 PM) Byrnes is going to want a 5/60 contract. Don't the White Sox have about 10-12 players locked up already next year to about 80 million or so ? That would seem to eliminate them from going on a spending spree in free agency without clearing significant payroll first, correct ?

QUOTE(Tony82087 @ Jul 21, 2007 -> 06:35 PM) I just have to add this. What the hell has Owens done to "earn a spot"? Have I not been watching? Has the talent level sunk that low? Compared to the other players coming up from the minors, he's been unbelievable, so the bar has been set somewhat low.

QUOTE(Brian @ Jul 20, 2007 -> 08:06 PM) Because we have a game thread for this and with the site problems, I doubt the site needs a thread as useless as this one. We all know it was a huge f*ck up. If the site is going to go down because of an additional thread, it probably needs to be fixed which hopefully would be fast because I love the arguments on this site.

QUOTE(Wanne @ Jul 19, 2007 -> 08:50 PM) I've been on this bandwagon for 2 years now. It's obvious the DBack's either want to go a different direction or not give him the money he wants. The whole "grinder" crap aside...why not Eric Byrnes? Name me some better options next year when he hits the FA market. Probably because I think they are going to sign Aaron Rowand, and I don't think they are going to go on a spending spree when they already have so many players locked up, and will probably have to move some of their current players (for example, Contreras) to free up some flexibility in the payroll.

QUOTE(Greg The Bull Luzinski @ Jul 13, 2007 -> 03:14 PM) Realistically, we need to take what we can get for Jose and may have to look at it more along the lines of a salary dump. There is no chance in hell of getting elite prospects for Jose. Can you imagine how lit up he could get if trade to Colorado? If you thought Sisco's line in Triple A last was ugly ... Be satisfied with getting rid of as much of his contract as possible.

QUOTE(southsideirish71 @ Jul 12, 2007 -> 11:06 AM) I am okay with Haeger coming up. But what doesnt make sense is why Massett is still up here, because they fill a similiar role. They should send down Masset and have him focus on what he is best at, and that is starting. Build him up, and get his arm stretched out. Then call Richar up and see what we have there. Yes, I agree. Let's get Masset back on track in the minors, and in a starting role. In the meantime, Haegar can fill his long-relief role, getting knocked around role.

From the Chicago Tribune WebSite: Crede to start rehab in Arizona White Sox third baseman Joe Crede will start his rehabilitation program on his lower back this week in Arizona. That development was revealed Monday by agent Scott Boras, who declined to confirm whether his client would be ready to return by the end of the regular season. "The main thing is we want him back healthy and at full strength," Boras said. "The key is that we resolved a problem that Joe had been playing in a great deal of pain and seeing that the problem is not something that would affect his long-term future. That he's going to be a completely healthy player again is something we're really happy about getting accomplished." Boras said Crede's operation, in which fluid and small particles were removed from the area where nerves were irritated, was "a very easy fix and the doctor (Robert Watkins) is very optimistic about Joe's full return and just a matter of time in him going forward." After Crede was placed on the 15-day disabled list on June 6 and underwent surgery a week later, many Sox observers wondered why Crede didn't have off-season surgery to repair the bulging disks in Crede's lower back. But "the doctors all said they were against surgery because the pain level was symptomatic. The doctors recommended he not have surgery because he had a great season, played well and didn't affect his play," Boras said. "It was just the wear and tear of the season brought it to this level.

QUOTE(Rowand44 @ Jul 9, 2007 -> 08:19 AM) You could certainly be right. I just think most of us here had our expectations a little too high when it came to what we could receive for Freddy, I know I did. Maybe, but according to Kenny, Gio Gonzalez is the best left handed prospect around. I think they were expecting Floyd to win the 5th job though.

If Crede is healthy, does that mean Josh Fields moves to LF OR have they given up on that idea ? Watching Fields play 3B at times is hard to watch. He does make some tough plays, but he's probably average at best.

I think we have to assume that Josh Fields will be at 3B next season, and that one of those young OF's (Owens/Sweeney, possibly Anderson) will take at least one OF spot. The player acquired from Arizona (Richar) could be our 2B next season or at least part of a platoon with Ozuna. We still need a SS, and 2 OF's, but as has been previously posted, I don't think they will spend for a Torii Hunter, but instead will look at mid-level, under the radar players.

QUOTE(beck72 @ Jul 8, 2007 -> 07:24 PM) While everyone expects Contreras to be traded, his value is next to nothing. And even then, the sox would have to pony up some cash to unload him. Or the sox will have to trade bad contracts [which may not be a bad idea--say Jack Wilson and Pittsburgh]. I guess one of the teams in playoff contention may take a flier on Jose, provided he has a few decent starts before the 31st. If not, teams will think he's hurt and will stay away from him. I'd expect Jose to see some time on the DL if he gets lit up after the ASB. If Jose gets some time off, and has a 2nd half ala Freddy in 2006, then trade him in the offseason. But as of now, he likely won't be going anywhere. I really don't care if we get anything back for him. Hopefully, Kenny can convince the Mets to take that contract (or a large portion of it).

QUOTE(Kalapse @ Jul 8, 2007 -> 03:39 PM) I'm still surprised Mark accepted such a cheap deal. It'll be fun having a class act like Buehrle around as the face of the franchise for the next 4+ years. Kudos to Kenny Williams. Now get a ridiculous package in return for Garland and I'll be ecstatic. I'm wondering if we can afford to have such a high paid starting rotation, and still keep the payroll around $100 million. Buerhle is at $14 million a season, Vazquez around $13 million, and then Garland's possible future contract. Contreras needs to go, and even then I'm still not sure that Kenny Williams would want to have $40-$50 million in the pitching staff, especially with so many holes on the field. I kind of expect to have at least 2 pitchers in the rotation (Denks and Floyd/Gonzalez/Masset) to keep the price of the rotation reasonable. QUOTE(Kalapse @ Jul 8, 2007 -> 03:44 PM) I doubt he'll be willing to sign a deal in the White Sox price Range. I can't see him taking a discount similar to the one Buehrle took and I can't see the Sox agreeing to a 5 year $70M+ deal like he'll be looking for. So, do we look to trade Contreras AND Garland before the trade deadline ? I really hope they are able to work out something with Garland, but I'm not optimistic of him accepting a 3 or 4 year deal.

QUOTE(South Side Fireworks Man @ Jul 8, 2007 -> 03:37 PM) Take that, all you whiners and know-it-alls who were calling for KW's head over a bunch of unsubstantiated reports from unnamed sources. Maybe you'll learn your lesson and give KW the benefit of the doubt next time until anything official is announced. Actually Kenny admitted that the rumors (no trade clause issue) was a problem. Maybe you should read the news before you call out other people. This is great news, and I'm happy.

QUOTE(BearSox @ Jul 6, 2007 -> 06:01 PM) agreed! I think he is all but guarateed to be traded. I don't see Williams looking to collect draft picks as much as he will try to retool the team for next season. I think if they trade Buerhle, they won't compete, but I think Williams has a different vision.

QUOTE(Greg The Bull Luzinski @ Jul 6, 2007 -> 05:34 PM) I would go so far as to suggest that it is an embarassment to White Sox fans. I don't disagree. It's one thing if the White Sox and Buerhle can't agree on a dollar amount/length of contract, but to a trade happen because he wants to stay is absurd.

QUOTE(Brian @ Jul 6, 2007 -> 05:18 PM) Of course talks are dead, one side is waiting to budge on the NTC deal. What else is too discuss until one side gives in? Hopefully, Reinsdorf gets off his ridiculous position, and get something done because this is plain stupid.

Bruce Levine is reporting today that the talks are dead. If true, he only has a few more days/weeks here.

QUOTE(29thandPoplar @ Jul 6, 2007 -> 12:32 PM) No he is not out of options. They already optioned him once this year which means he had at least one left. He can be called up and sent down at any point this year. The option is good for the whole season. Don't mean to question you, but I didn't think the option was for the season, I think it's the number of times a player can be sent back to the minors. Can this be confirmed by someone ?

QUOTE(Chisoxfn @ Jul 6, 2007 -> 12:09 PM) When Mac was sent back down he was feeling fine, but they sent him down cause he's lost a lot of confidence. He still has had the stuff but I have noticed he hasn't been used as much as of late so maybe his shoulder is a bit sore to the point that he can't pitch on a consistent basis. I'd rather make sure Mac is healthy because i still feel he could be a very valuable piece via trade (if he comes off the DL and throws a couple good games he could get the Sox a nice piece) or a key part to the pen next year (yes I still would count on him next season). Isn't he out of options ? Maybe they are just sick of his act, and want to make sure everything looks good with his arm/shoulder.