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QUOTE(South Side Fireworks Man @ Jun 25, 2007 -> 11:08 PM) Baldelli has been hurt once too much. I lost interest in him. The last thing the Sox need is another injury prone outfielder. I like Baldelli, but I think we already have a similar OF in Podsednik.

QUOTE(witesoxfan @ Jun 25, 2007 -> 02:19 AM) First of all, he has had some success. You didn't say how much, just some. Secondly, he's pitching well in AAA, and the Sox and Royals have about equal chances at winning this division; once Buehrle or another starter gets traded, he's in the rotation for the rest of the year until the year ends or he gets injured. They're going to give him every chance in the world at becoming a good starter for the White Sox. If they trade Buerhle, I have no issue with giving Gavin Floyd every 5th start the rest of the season. They need to see what he can do as well. I think Gavin Floyd and Ryan Sweeney need to be on the field the rest of the season. We need to know if they can be depended on in 2008.

QUOTE(JDsDirtySox @ Jun 25, 2007 -> 10:37 PM) The Sox really want Jones... but I hear the Cubs price tag is pretty high for a guy that doesn't even play anymore. The Cubs are saying they don't have to trade Jones... they can just send someone else down... we will see. I like the Sox chances of landing Jones... that would also allow Dye more time off/ or the ability to be traded. I just have a feeling the Pads will do something with the Cubs for the way they fleeced the Cubs on Barrett. I think we will know soon. No offense, but trading for Jones is idotic. He is a below average player. Why not let Ryan Sweeney play the rest of the season in the OF ? What good does acquiring Jones, and watching him hit .260, while we still don't know if a guy like Sweeney can play.

QUOTE(Kalapse @ Jun 24, 2007 -> 10:29 PM) $11M guaranteed over the next 2 seasons. Which is f***ing ridiculous considering how insanely mediocre he is. I agree.....

QUOTE(southsida86 @ Jun 24, 2007 -> 10:26 PM) Thanks. BTW I sure hope Kenny isn't stupid enough to trade Mark for a couple of B prospects. In Gammons' blog on ESPN.com he wrote that Boston isn't willing to part with Lester, Buchholz, or Bowden. If that is the case, then why are we still talking about this trade? Ihat comment, and the fact that we're still talking about this trade scenario, scares me about the package that we'll be getting in return for Mark. IMO if Buchholz AND Bowden aren't included then the deal should be off. IF we are talking with Boston, it's because Kenny wants guys like Pena/Crisp who can help the team now more. He's not looking to rebuild - that's his own words.

QUOTE(SoxFan101 @ Jun 24, 2007 -> 10:03 PM) Well for one if we are tearing apart this team im expecting some pitching prospects in return. 2nd I expect Floyd to be promoted once a starter gets moved so thats 3 spots filled already. So your looking at filling 2 spots and thats only assuming we do indeed trade all of our starters besides Garland/Danks. I think Gavin Floyd should have some success in the majors before we consider his spot in the rotation secure.

QUOTE(hitlesswonder @ Jun 24, 2007 -> 09:27 PM) JR is a loyal guy. Krause got how many years post-Jordan? The Sox still have Greg Walker on staff. The Sox just hired a "new" amateur scouting director that they canned from that job 4 years ago. Williams will be the Sox GM for years still. Yeah, I think it's his job for the next several years at least, and possibly as long as he wants it.

QUOTE(fathom @ Jun 24, 2007 -> 09:14 PM) With or without Buehrle, that's true. That's why you try and trade these guys for some young prospects, and not focus on the next 2-3 years. From what Kenny is saying, I get the impression he's looking to do the opposite or at least guys on the verge of MLB ready.

If/when we trade Buerhle, you can pretty much eliminate the White Sox from being a serious contender in the AL Central until/unless some of their younger arms - John Denks for one - steps up, and helps fill Buerhle's missing numbers. We know what Vazquez is, and that's a #4 starter. Garland seems to be getting better still, though he'll never be better than a #2 and somewhere in the #2-#3 range. Contreras has a good outing here and there, but he might be 40+ years old. With the rotation that Detroit has, barring injuries, they are the team to beat for the forseeable future, and Cleveland is right behind them.

QUOTE(fathom @ Jun 24, 2007 -> 06:25 PM) The best thing that could happen to the Sox today is if KW was fired. I get so worried that he'll try to acquire guys like Crisp or Jones. I don't know that he's in denial about this current team being bad, if he's just extrmely loyal to this current team given that they won 2005 WS, but he seems to be pretty intent, based upon his public comments, to not start a rebuilding process. I don't think Kenny views this team the same many of us do - they are fielding a pretty bad lineup, and the bullpen needs to be pretty much rebuilt yet again. Did I mention that the starting rotation probably is going to be overhauled - Buerhle is going to be traded, Garland will this off-season, Contreras is 45 years old. It just doesn't seem as if this anything less than a full blown rebuilding project.

I think CoCo Crisp would be involved a deal because Kenny doesn't consider this rebuilding...more or less reshuffling. He's talking about core pieces, and you'd think that Buerhle would be part of that, but I guess he considers Thome, Konerko, Vazquez, Jenks and Garland (for at least 1 more year) to be that core.

Is this an accurate list of the Red Sox prospects ?: John Lester, AAA LHP. Coming back from cancer, would probably be the 5th starter now if Tavarez wasn't so lights out right now. Clay Buchholz AA RHP. Will likely be a september callup, has "ace" stuff. Theo probably won't consider moving him. Daniel Bard A RHP. 1st round pick in 06 out of North Carolina. Excellent stuff, probably 09 before MLB ready at the earliest. Jed Lowrie AA SS. Good SS prospect, nothing great though. Jacoby Ellsbury AAA CF. Top position prospect in organization. Blocked by Coco right now, but Ellsbury will eventually start in CF. Brandon Moss AAA RF. Power prospect, having a very good year 298/394/536 12hrs. Buchholz won't be moved, and they won't want to ship Ellsbury out. I think everyone else is a possibility.

QUOTE(Chisoxfn @ Jun 24, 2007 -> 05:30 AM) Considering I may be the biggest Jacque Jones fan on the site, I think I'd be the only one excited (and yes I drastically over value Jones). That said if they were going to make this move it should have been a while ago. What are the rumored names? I don't want the Sox to give up anything worth while, considering the club is toast this year anyway. I guess I don't understand the timing of such a move like this. We are out of it, and we're not going to get back into it. If they are looking for another OF, why not just get Ryan Sweeney the rest of the season to see what he can do ? I'd rather know that Sweeney can/cannot play, then watch J.Jones hit .250-.260, and not make the team any better for next season.

Jacque Jones sucks. If Kenny Williams trades for him, it says one of two things - he'll be Jermaine Dye's replacement next season AND/OR our minor league OF's aren't as good as we thought. This will be pathetic if they trade for him as that would mean the Sox have sunken so low they are now accepting other teams trash - and for no apparent reason given that this season is over already.

QUOTE(fathom @ Jun 21, 2007 -> 12:29 PM) Knowing how things are going, Joey Devine would be the best player we'd get back. Yeah, I'd be scared to deal with them. They usually make smart decisions in who to trade.

I don't think Owens is much more than an extra OF

QUOTE(BearSox @ Jun 19, 2007 -> 10:57 PM) I think we could probably get more for Contreras in the offseason rather then at the break. If Contreras finishes off this season around .500 with an ERA under 4.5, I think we could probably get a pretty good prospect for him. I'm not even concerned with getting much more than ridding ourselves of the contract.

The guy who they need to move is Contreras. He's done, but maybe there's a team like the Mets desperate enough for starting pitching to make a move.

QUOTE(29thandPoplar @ Jun 18, 2007 -> 09:53 PM) On this Buehrle stuff I see on the Sox front page MB comments about the impending birth of their child. Maybe someone who follows all the off the field stuff might know when the child is due? The Sox have great respect and fondness for Buehrle and I wonder if its out of the box to think that as a courtesy to MB they would wait to move him until after the birth? Unless it is after 7/31 I suppose. Who knows, just a thought. You're stretching. There's going to be too much difference between what the White Sox offer and some other team does because of the difference in the length of the contract.

If we can assume that the team is not going to win more than 81 games this season, and because of that, won't draw 2.9 million fans again, what would that do to our payroll for next season ? At the very least, I can see the Sox making a big splash with all the holes they have to fill.

QUOTE(fathom @ Jun 18, 2007 -> 07:19 PM) That's fine....I just know that the worst possible thing that could happen is for this team to go .500 over the next few weeks, and KW and Ozzie and company think they can still win this thing. It's not like we haven't had Pods or Erstad on the roster at some point this season. Even when they were on the team, our offense still sucked. No team with our current bullpen could constantly win. When's the last time the Sox had a winning streak? We've lost 7 straight series. If they go .500 over the next few weeks, that's not good enough. There would still be wholesale changes.

QUOTE(Jenks Heat @ Jun 18, 2007 -> 03:45 PM) I was talking in the offseason. I think the Mets would trade for Buerhle now, let him walk, then sign Zambrano. Yeah, I see the Sox signing Zambrano to 5-7 year deal worth 18 million a season. Have another

Buster Olney (ESPN) is talking up the Lastings Milledge for Mark Buerhle rumors....Kenny is in a great situation because there isn't the quality pitching out there, and everyone would be intertested in. White Sox need youth (CF/RF), the framework is just perfect, it protects them in case Pedro Martinez comes back, and they need to deal him before he loses his value...after all, would he not be in the majors if he was as good as advertised ?

Isn't the worst case scenerio with keeping Buerhle/Dye, and then losing them in free ageny is the assumption that the $16 million that is freed up will go back into the payroll ? What if the White Sox don't draw as much as anticipiated this season because the team appears headed to nowhere, and next season's payroll takes that into consideration. I guess my point is not to assume that the payroll is going to be as high next season IF the team stinks for the remainder of this season.

QUOTE(daa84 @ Jun 17, 2007 -> 09:14 AM) great news for us in terms of milledge....i will never understand the ridiculous hype around this guy...hes a good prospect, maybe very good, but any prospect who plays for boston or either new york team gets so hyped up in the media its ridiculous / Isn't that true for a lot of NY prospects