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QUOTE (Quinarvy @ Aug 16, 2016 -> 12:48 PM) Thanks to revenue sharing, Sox would never leave Chicago unless the league could make more money. Most places getting tossed around won't make more money than being the second team in Chicago. There is a huge amount of untapped potential for the Sox in Chicago… I'm sure MLB is taking note… The geographical environs and infrastructure in the south, southwest, southeast, and western burbs and significantly changed over the years.. making it more advantageous for a build-up of the Sox fan base. more than ever before.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Aug 14, 2016 -> 12:06 PM) They would still pay a capital gains tax on the inheritence. .if the estate is placed in trust, the capital gain is from the time the trust grantor dies, to the time the trustee sells off the estate...so the capital gain would be minimal if the trustees sell off shortly after the trust grantors passing

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Aug 14, 2016 -> 04:21 AM) Except he only owns like 15% of the team, personally. So that would be roughly $118 million or so (after tax)....not close to a billion. July 28, 2013. Chicago Tribune Reinsdorf reportedly owned 4 percent to 5 percent of the team at the beginning but has gradually increased his stake. Four partners told the Tribune that Reinsdorf now owns 14 percent. Reinsdorf said that figure is "significantly understated" but declined to provide another amount. "No partner knows what I own," Reinsdorf said.

Assuming his estate is held in trust, upon his passing his heirs' tax burden is minimal. I'm not a tax attorney, but I believe it's almost nothing. If the franchise was purchased for $20 M, and is now worth $1 Billion, that's 20% of $980 M that has to be covered among the investors in capital gains tax

I think the notion of JR selling off his share of the team is BS. Everyone involved takes a hit on the capital gains tax. Upon his passing his heirs will be handed over a tidy sum with the sale of the club, which I'm sure is now held in trust I also believe JR wants nothing more than one more trip to the World Series before the end of his day All of this logically explains the reluctance to rebuild. 3 yrs from now is a long time, but if the Sox can keep reloading and strike gold like they did in 05, gives them much more to work with in renewing the TV deal. By then, it will most likely be a Hawks/Sox/Bulls network, and it's any bodies guess as whether the Sox are gonna command the same $$$ as they do now

QUOTE (shipps @ Aug 12, 2016 -> 02:20 PM) I honestly think that marketing strategy is spot on. Sox fans and FO are pretty stubborn and dont want to do things like the Cubs do them but its reality. The only thing one would worry about is them actually bringing tons of fans with their marketing and party atmosphere but then putting oout some terrible teams as the Cubs did for decades. So yeah that would be a pretty big concern too. Andrew Berlin comes from a long line of very smart and savvy business people.. The guy is no dummy… If anyone is up to the task of bringing the fans back, this dude certainly is….

QUOTE (Rowand44 @ Aug 12, 2016 -> 02:12 PM) I wouldn't care what the marketing is like. If it brought in more fans and they won more games than do whatever the f*** you want. By the time Berlin steps in, the Sox will be approaching new levels of irrelevance, low attendance, and league low TV ratings…. Maybe he can have Don Cooper dressed like Elvis doing "Jailhouse Rock" on the top of the Sox dugout before and after every game...

QUOTE (RichieZisk @ Aug 12, 2016 -> 09:47 AM) If the team is sold then Andrew Berlin is the most likely local buyer of the team. He already owns a piece of the team (and the Cubs). He is friends with JR who held a private 50th birthday party for him at US Cellular field. He also has turned around the South Bend minor league team which are now affiliated with the Cubs. Andrew Berlin has also said, in various past interviews, that he believes a successful franchise should be modeled after what the Cubs have traditionally done.. Put together a party experience for the fans….. not much of a mention here of putting a winner on the field..….. from Crains.. 10/13/2014 "I think the White Sox are fantastic in honoring the heritage and history of baseball and the purity of baseball," he said. "But unfortunately there are two generations of fans that don't care as much about baseball purity as they used to. They care about being engaged." Pointing to his experience promoting the South Bend Cubs as well as the "party" at Wrigley Field for Cubs games for which people often show up for regardless of the team's play, Mr. Berlin advocates for more "quirky and fun" happenings around the stadium during Sox games. "The marketing has to focus on the fact that there's a party going on at U.S. Cellular Field, too — you just may not have known about it," he says.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Aug 10, 2016 -> 09:29 PM) http://www.espn.com/mlb/stats/team/_/stat/...nded/order/true Leading the majors in blown saves...not just AL. Robertson is tied with the Oakland closer for most blown saves in MLB...

QUOTE (gosoxgo2005 @ Aug 10, 2016 -> 02:34 PM) Didn't bother reading most of this thread, but I'm assuming people are pissed at Robertson for taking away from Sale's wins - even when he hasn't taken away from many team wins - because no one gives a s*** about the White Sox end of season record, but want still want Sale to win the Cy Young, and even though they shouldn't, wins matter for a pitcher in that realm. It would probably help to read the other comments in the thread because that's not at all what the majority of the discussion has been about...

QUOTE (Quinarvy @ Aug 10, 2016 -> 02:29 PM) Then why bring up Sale's win total?! Because I'm a fan of the team and I unearth any relevant facts that may or may not shed light on how a player's performance fits into the total scheme of the season...

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Aug 10, 2016 -> 01:52 PM) Kenley Jansen has a 1.29 ERA and strikes out about 12.5/9. Is he elite? He's blown 5 saves. The Dodgers are tied for first place, so apparently his blown saves don't matter.. since according to you blown saves only matter if you lose the game... Kenley Jansen outperforms Robertson in practically every major stat relevant to a closer.. C'mon man.. I agree with a lot of what you say.. Don't go disappointing me...

QUOTE (Eminor3rd @ Aug 10, 2016 -> 01:44 PM) Are you seriously evaluating a reliever's performance based on the amount of "pitcher wins" he adds or subtracts to from Chris Sale's total? Because that would be total nonsense, and Quinarvy's post is simply stating that. No I'm not seriously evaluating Robertson's performance based on the amount of "pitcher wins" he adds or subtracts from Sale's total... If you'll read further back in the thread, I posted other numbers directly relating to where he stands in ERA, WHIP, Blown saves ,etc… But if you chose to cherry pick, like other's have... one supplemental comment I made about him responsible for a couple of Sales lost wins, and perform some magical verbal linguistics, as if that was my whole argument.. wow.. okay.. go run with it, man.. have fun...

QUOTE (Quinarvy @ Aug 10, 2016 -> 01:18 PM) So Robertson is a bad closer not because it's hurting the team in general, but Chris Sale's Cy Young chances. My point is there was no real reason to bring Sale into this. Robertson has been disappointing this year, regardless of whose wins he's lost. Robertson is not an elite closer.. He is paid to be an elite closer.. Blowing Sale's chance at a CY is just another dimension to his suckage… I have a question and I'm trying to ask it in a way that's not confrontational (which really doesn't matter because I'll be confronted either way) You've already stated that Robertson has been disappointing.. the numbers are there as plain as day that he's terrible bang for the buck… Sure, Robertson is accountable, but sure as hell.. the powers that be that signed him should be accountable, as well as on-field personnel associated in some degree with his success or failure… I get that you and those like you, are probably sick of the constant moaning and groaning … I'm a skeptic and not of fan of JR and Co, and its gets old for me too… Now correct me if I'm wrong, but the tone of your responses seem to directly refute any negative discussion concerning Robertson… Is this just because you will fight to the death the negative forces that permeate the board? irregardless of whether or not their arguments make logical sense? Now again, correct me if I'm wrong.. but refuting negative opinion and flying in the face of cold hard numbers that indicate facts, just for the sake of refuting negative opinion.. is as ridiculous as reading post after post of "fire Hahn" "JR needs to sell" "fire Ventura" "trade Abreu"!!!

QUOTE (Quinarvy @ Aug 10, 2016 -> 12:14 PM) Him costing Sale *specifically* wins wasn't the point of the discussion either. Of course it was. The discussion is concerning Robertsons performance vs value. You switched it up completely and brought up an entirely different issue involving Sale and the torn up uni's and missing a couple of starts. This is hilarious. You guys are pretty forgiving when it comes to someone else not getting value for their $$$. My guess is that if it was coming out of your pocket, or you were somehow accountable, you'd be taking a walk over to the dark side with all the irrational ranters, whiners, moaners and chronically unsatisfied Do you join hands and sing "Kumbaya" when you take your car in for a $5 k engine rebuild, and you break down not 20 minutes out of the shop, in rush hour on the Kennedy, bumper to bumper, in 95 degree temps?

QUOTE (Quinarvy @ Aug 10, 2016 -> 09:26 AM) And Sale cost himself two starts by going crazy pants on the team. Karma? that's not the point of the discussion…. Robertson make $300 K less, than the top paid closer in MLB.. so he's very near being the top paid closer in MLB He's tied with or a close second to # of blown saves Conversely, Britton from the O's makes half as much and has 0 blown saves… I have a problem with this.. and I can't tell whether you do as well, because you switched the topic of discussion.. You can't just write off every fan expression of displeasure as an irrational rant, or b****, or moan… the numbers are here in black and white that the Sox now have another problematic situation on their hands, to add to the myriad of problematic situations...

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Aug 10, 2016 -> 09:02 AM) I think the Sox have only lost one or two of his blown saves this year. He's cost Sale at least 2 wins this 2nd half

QUOTE (greg775 @ Aug 9, 2016 -> 11:12 PM) Robertson is OK. He's not a lockdown closer but he saves a lot more games than he blows. Tied for Third in 2016 with most blown saves. (And that was before tonite) 26th and 27th in WHIP and ERA. Middle of the pack in save % Not OK, when you consider he's the 3rd highest paid closer in MLB

QUOTE (ptatc @ Aug 7, 2016 -> 07:33 PM) You go by record. I go by championships. how much would this board complain about the team if the currently were on the winning season streak with no championships. there would be complaining about how they can't finish a season or how the manager burns out the players and they can't win the world Series. The point of the game is Winning the World series or not. A silly argument. Really Look back at how baseball was structured between 1951-1967, during the 16 yr streak of winning seasons by the Sox. No divisional playoffs, no wild card. You either had the best record in the AL or NL, or you went home. The other question would be, with this current stellar ownership, winners of 1 championship in 36 tries, how is it they for the life of them, can't figure out how to get to the playoffs but once, in 11 yrs.?

QUOTE (Hatchetman @ Aug 7, 2016 -> 06:14 PM) LOL. what a sad organization this has been. Sox fans should be declared saints by the Vatican. Even the non-Catholics.. What's sad is fans being mocked and ridiculed for being skeptical and questioning why, as a big market franchise, things are where they are

QUOTE (ptatc @ Aug 7, 2016 -> 06:09 PM) Basically, better than the 30 years prior to his group buying the team. Basically BS. Look up the Sox record from 1951-1981. 16 straight winning seasons from 1951-67. Winning seasons in 72 and 77. On the way to 4 straight losing seasons with 2016. 2 of those stretches during the JR regime. Prior to that 68-77, 4 straight losing. You have to go back then to the end of WW II to find another bad stretch

Orioles Fans on the ESPS Gamecast blog having a real good laugh over this one….There are some that are actually discounting the offense performance today because "after all it's only James Shields" I hope JR, Hahn and Kenny are at the Cell witnessing this today… And congrats on being the laughingstock of MLB..

QUOTE (Y2JImmy0 @ Aug 6, 2016 -> 09:54 AM) Hahn was on with Levine and Esposito today. Tons of lawyer talk as always but a couple of things As good as anyone at developing pitching If that's the case, then there shouldn't be any reluctance to move your only tradeable assets, starting pitching. Provided the price is right. Cut the BS, Rick. You can count on one hand the only real tradeable assets. Coincidentally, all part of the "core" and the 3 yr plan. Tearing down the "core" is as likely as me having sex with Scarlett Johannsen

QUOTE (Lip Man 1 @ Aug 3, 2016 -> 03:41 PM) Captain: Slight correction. It was 87 wins, not 92. Still a tremendous record considering it was a shortened season due to the labor impasse over the pension fund. If memory serves that was the second best record in the A.L. and third best in all of baseball. Naturally though it was the Sox luck to have the team with the best record in the league in the same division. Mark Correct my bad.. I was doing percentages and didn't factor in the shortened season… The last time the Sox had more than 4 consecutive losing seasons was 1944 - 1950 .. 7 in a row.. that's around 70 yrs ago… and then did not have a losing season from 1951 - 1967… 16 straight years.. remarkable..

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Aug 3, 2016 -> 01:52 PM) JR has to have a long conversation with the board of directors and decide if he really trusts Hahn AND/OR KW to stick around for this rebuild/retooling. My money would be on JR evaluating whether or not the Kenny Hahn combo is capable of operating within the franchise framework of retooling annually with middle of the pack payroll..It just may be that he's seen enough, and this dynamic duo is on the hot seat of all hot seats...