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Any other team would just fire Pedro and be done with it.

It is this sort of stupidity which puts on kids on the bench for this clowns who we aren't going to get back anything for anyway. Like what does Jerry think is going to happen here, Benny is all of the sudden going to turn into a superstar and they can dump the contract for him? If you are done with him, dump him. Quick making a mistake into even more mistakes. I swear Jerry failed Economics and the Sunk Cost principle.

This is a joke of an organization if they can't manage around this deal with only $50 million on the books, and only Benny on the books for beyond '25.

There are a lot of names on that thread I wondered what has happened to.

I mean Getz is the GM, but that would 100% be Jerry's poodle being dogwalked if he did it. Benny is a sunk cost, don't multiply the losses by forcing him into a deal.

If we are going to do a deal with the Phils for Kopech, I know the top end of the guys are probably offlimits (Painter, Miller, Abel, and maybe even the young Crawford) but they have a lot of interesting positional prospects at the back half of their top 10 that we should be targeting such as Caba, Saltiban, Rincon, and Rincones.

Giddey or #13?

Flexen, Fedde, and Crochet are worth more and more each day in this market.

We are the dumbest franchise in baseball, and we manage to reprove it on a daily basis.

And instead of figuring that out, we are playing the geriatric crew for some reason.

If he isn't a guy, then we are in real trouble, because Colson Montgomery hasn't shown anything near Carlos Correa.

Two of my other all time favorite Soxtalk threads.

He's fine. He still has a 3.50 FIP and an xFIP of 3.36. His defense has been awful behind him.

Oh man, this is one of the GOATs.

You mean the guy with an OPS 120 points higher than anyone on the Sox or with 5.2fWAR more than the entire position player roster combined, including double any one single players fWAR this year? Yeah, what we would ever do with that kind of a failure. And Cleveland has Jose Ramirez.

And we can't do that now. That is more door that is closed to us.

Take the O's another great example. You get a Jackson Holliday absolutely bust in his first trip to the majors despite being the #1 prospect in the game. Down he goes again. But the O's have enough juice in the system that they worked around it without blinking and are still in contention. Need pitching? Sure they do. Guess what they have a loaded list of guys they can move for them. Contrast that with Yoan busting after being the absolute #1 prospect in the game. The Sox couldn't replace him. Contrast that with if Colson Montgomery stalls out, we are now trying to push Gonzalez along, or we are looking at someone like Lenyn Sosa at SS.

Tim Anderson was that guy, at least until whatever happened after TLR got here.

Still "a few more drafts" is something that takes 5+ years to even start to shake out. Vaughn is 5 years ago. Crochet is 4 years ago. You also still have to get those kids here, get them to the majors and let them figure out if they will even make it, let alone have enough of them make it at a level where we can win. You mentioned the Twins? Let's. They went out and added a superstar contract at SS to move their build along. Do you see the Sox adding a Pete Alonzo to fix 1B or a Juan Soto to shore up the OF? And their worse season in recent years was a 73 win season, or approximately 30 wins better than where the Sox are on pace to be this year.

"A few more drafts" pushes Crochet out the door for sure, and Robert in his walk year, assuming we were to keep him and exercise him along the way. Those drafts also won't be helping for years after they are picked.

It's not though. If you want to talk about a playoff team, that is way more than one major league star out of the last five years worth of drafts. Ultimately that is what this is all about. If you have a narrow window to contend, that isn't nearly enough.

He didn't start one, he relieved in one and hurt himself.

Which again is the point. Even the right pick can have set backs and failures, which is why the entire system is so important, and not just pointing to one guy who is NOW living up to his potential after so many years.

And Andrew Vaughn still isn't playoff team good. Being on the team, vs being a part of a playoff caliber roster are two different things. Vaughn is still five years post draft, and the Sox still have a hole at 1b. Some of these guys will absolutely fail. Others will take years to live up to the hype. That's why talent accumulation is so important, and getting one basic major leaguer isn't moving the needle.