southsider2k5

nationwide Soxtalk is on your siiiide?

Honestly? I don't care if we are competitive for the rest of 2024, or even 2025. I am already in a mindset of we need to target being competitive in 2026, with a realistic goal of 2027. Why? The talent gap is sooooo wide between the Sox and real playoff teams that every single person who isn't a rookie today is probably not going to be here by the time we could win a divisional title again, meaning that all of them are disposable for pieces that can win a title in the future.

Especially on the offensive side of things. The well is dry for the Sox offensively.

If the deals are there, it is the right move to make. In full honesty nothing Chris Getz has done so far shows me he has the stomach to do what is right long term versus short term.

Look if there is any organization that can represent going in circles for long periods of time and then ending up in the exact same place they started, it's the White Sox.

It's gotta be more than that though. What adjustments has an Andrew Vaughn made in the last few years? How about Michael Kopech who still can't pitch through adversity? Yet they are still out there every single day, effectively. They have a personal issue with Colas, or at least that's what I perceive.

No White Sox OF has "forced the issue"

All of the guys traded for cash?

If you know you aren't winning anything this year, this situation should be the exact opposite. A 3-22 start tells you that you should be looking at your future, and NOT this year. The rookies weren't the problem, it was his placeholder vets. And to fix that problem, he started getting more vets to squeeze out the kids.

I will never get being a proud luddite.

More than anything he started out on a path this winter that made some sense in context, and then as soon as the team started losing he threw all of it away, and did the exact opposite of everything as he went through what you described above. It's one thing to have a plan, but as Ali said, everyone has a plan until they get hit in the mouth. Getz got hit in the mouth and ran from everything he was doing.

The trades are going to happen if guys like Fedde and Flexen pitch even decently into June and July. This team is heading for a cliff just like they did last year.

The Sox also kicked him in the nuts by destroying his first earning years by putting him the pen. If he had started, he could have another 10ish million in career earnings, maybe a lot more, by the time he hit free agency. Take an oft injured Carlos Rodon as an example... Rodon's 3rd year was $2.3 million. His 4th was $4.2 million His 5th year was $4.5 million even after TJS. Crochet was something like 800k and 800k for his 3rd and 4th years. Non- or minimally injured is is probably 3 million in his 3rd year, 8-10 in his 4th, 15ish in his 5th and 20ish million his last year before FA. If he believes that the Sox putting him in the pen contributed to his injuries, I don't think a deal where he takes a 10 million haircut would leave him with much goodwill for a "hometown discount", especially when he looks at the absolute dogwater of a roster we have offensively and defensively as a pitcher.

The Sox may well look at that, but I can't imagine with the breakout year he has had so far that Crochet would be willing to give up THAT much money in his free agent years, because he wouldn't be getting much more than what his arb years would be, in exchange for potentially giving up a huge payday in those last two years. Unless the option year was his own option, or a duel to exercise option, I don't see him being there. Honestly, I think the only way he signs something like that is if he is already hurting and worried about another surgery.

Our offense prospect pile in the minors right now is pretty slender. Maybe a guy like Quero slots over if KLee keeps up his good work, but no one especially stands out today just because of a big lack of true power bats in the system with any real decent looking future.

How about we trade him now and then sign him as a free agent in a year and a half if he is still worth it, just like we would be able to do if we didn't trade him now?

People keep saying to extend him, but with his low salary in year 4 because of injuries and being two years away from free agency, I have yet to see any details on a potential extension that makes sense for both sides. With his salary in 2024 at $800,000, that suppresses his salary structure the next two years in the arbitration process to the point where the Sox have a lot of pricing power in those years. Then once he gets past that, his salary structure options explode into free agency, where he could well be a $20 to $25 million a year pitcher on the open market, maybe more if he can actually stay injury free during a season for the first time in his life since his freshman year of college. So how do you structure a deal where he is probably looking a salary structure of say $3 million next year, and maybe $8 to $10 million in arbitration in 26, yet somewhere between double and triple that number in 2027 and beyond? With the Sox knowing they own Crochet for somewhere in the area of $10ish million for the next couple of years, and Crochet knowing teams might throw nine figures at him in 2 years, how do you arrive at something which makes sense to both camps which gives Garrett more money early, but sacrifices a really big payday potentially after that? -What sort of extension convinces Crochet to not hold out and bet on himself in two short years, yet tempts the Sox enough to give away payroll flexibility in the middle of them cutting salary hardcore?

I think the more accurate P word was panicked, but I won't dismiss double speak either.

Well for maybe a week or two he did. But now he has Tommy Pham in CF and Gavin Sheets in RF.

The one thing I keep thinking is Fedde has zero history. All of those guys (well maybe not ReyLo, but he was paired with Gio, so hard to separate how much of the return was him vs Rey) had an established history of years of a relative level of performance, even if they weren't killing it at that particular moment. Fedde is the opposite, he has zero history and is killing it at the moment. Does anyone have solid examples of older breakout players getting big returns at the deadline?

Yep, forgot about the change under the last CBA to 7 days.