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I think MLB needs to take a serious look at the "Driveline" school and those like it and what they are doing to pitchers. They claim they work in proper mechanics, but the weighted ball training and focus on velocity and spin probably has a correlation to increased arm injuries. The flip side to that argument is modern medicine has allowed a larger swath of players to continue playing, whereas back before modern TJS if you blew out your elbow you were done for life, so only the genetic freaks were able to have long sustained careers. Now we have more talent, but more injury prone players making the bigs.

Ugh man, forgot about that rumor. Was it Madrigal and Crochet and then they wanted Vaughn and that killed the deal, or am I misremembering?

Yeah that seemed like a miss there. 28 years old, woulda been worth a shot. Wonder if his covid policy breaking antics with Clevinger weighed into that decision.

somebody needs to teach him to watch the fielders in addition to the ball

I know it's not the be all end all so take it for what it's worth, but Baseball Trade Values website had TA in May '23 as a 46.0 trade value, today he is rated at 5.7.

He's looked stiff as hell the last few weeks, I'll give him a shred of credit for trying to gut it out but this is probably for the best with the record and the way Jake is swinging it. Just hope he doesn't need surgery, he looked like he was swinging pretty free and easy in the Houston series to start the season, hadn't seen him look that limber/strong in a long time.

Lol, this squad is really filled with some of the most unlikable losers in my life. Other than Burger, the only guys I find myself really pulling for are Vaughn, Romy, Santos, and Middleton...and Liam

Not to beat a dead horse here, but I know how fWAR works, my point was about 43% of Luis's fWAR comes from his glove over his career, for TA it's closer to 13%. Compare TA to LF's (where he belongs) and I doubt he'd be #3 on your chart.

he’s in elite company, min 100 ab leaders

and Luis is in the HOF because of his glove, TAs value is only that high in your chart because the organization lets him play a position he has no business playing, but that a whole other argument.

The Sox are one of the most miserable franchises to ever exist in any sport, they have a .503 winning % in the time frame of your graphic, comparing them against themselves is a tallest midget award. But the fact that a journeyman SS that never made a single All Star game is 2 slots above TA kinda proves my point, not yours. And IDGAF what Mike Trout thinks about the dude, I've can guarantee I've watched way more of TA's career than he has. Using fWAR for all eligible/qualified SS's from 2016-today, Tim ranks 13th in the league in fWAR per game in that time span, right between Javier Baez and Willy Adames. He's a league average SS at best and getting worse by the minute.

I guess we have different definitions of "exciting." I don't find the bat flipping or on field altercations to be exciting, or be anything of value. Baseball is a grind, you mentioned 5 instances, 5 instances of flash does not make somebody a good or exciting baseball player. Sure, the FOD moment was a top 5 White Sox moment of the last 20 years, but at the end of the day it was a walk off HR in a regular season game. Batting titles are great, but even when he was winning them he was never "great." He's finished in the top 10 of MVP voting one time. He's always been, and always will be, a 1 dimensional player that relies on unsustainable BABIP to provide even average value at his position. I like my SS's to have enough energy to get rid of the ball on routine plays in a timely manner, save the swagger until after you've won anything ever. I think Tim had promise, enough promise that a lot of people like yourself confused it with ability and excitement, but that ship has long sailed and Tim's career is looking more and more like a bust every day.

I read stuff like this and wonder if I've been watching a different player over his entire career. The guy has a career OPS+ of 103, never had an OPS over .886, has stolen 20 bases exactly once, can't stay on the field and has been a subpar defender his entire career. He plays with as much energy as a 12 year old dog and makes routine plays look like spectacular ones. A slappy singles hitter is one of the most exciting players in the game? He's rarely if ever been a top 8 player at his position, let alone the face of the sport. Do you watch other teams? Serious question.

Tim's got 3 more extra base hits than he does GIDP this year. The off the field drama that I'm sure spills over into the clubhouse isn't worth it, leave him in LA this week.

I've said this before, but this was on the Sox. Dudes don't get in better shape after they've signed the last deal of their careers and shouldn't be expected to, as selfish as it is.

the pitch clock aiding in the demise of the fat pitchers, Lynn and Manoah so far, anybody else?

well he's a switch hitter and an infielder, but 6'5 and ridiculous speed and power

Does a real OF catch that ball that Eloy made a half hearted attempt at?

Definitely need some new blood in at C and I wouldn't mind a Brujan reclamation project. At worst he's a great super-sub that can play anywhere with solid D and not hit a lick.

Stone mentioned Pedro was seen talking to him afterwards

look on the bright side, we don’t have to worry about watching him play 2B now

nice hustle Tim

he got his mansion in Miami, he’s all set

Will the White Sox ever tell these clowns their feelings don’t matter?