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This decision goes back to a previous post...Broadway signed for $$$$ big bucks and Haeger was a 24th round draft pick. They have more money invested in Broadway even though you're right "fixed" Haeger has outpitched Broadway since May!

With German coming in, who goes to Charlotte?

I think it should have been Haeger instead of Broadway. he has outpitched Broadway since the All-Star break. Perfect long man from the pen who can eat up innings.

If it was all about the numbers, the pitching staff would look much different than it is today. It's about the business of baseball....investment in a player (bonus), options, How the player was acquired (trade), age, etc. If it were soley about performance, then Wisler and Childers would be on the club. The White Sox have predestination attached to each piece of the puzzle. Some players get a long leash (Floyd, acquired in the trade for Garcia) and others are required to produce immediately or be optioned back to AAA. QUOTE (beck72 @ Aug 5, 2008 -> 07:01 AM) I'd like to see Poreda too. Yet the sox don't seem to like putting their minor league SP's in the pen. I've advocated that in the past. Other playoff teams do when they need help-Joba, Papelbon come to mind. If Poreda is as good as predicted, he could use the on-the-job training being in Chicago. If the sox call up an arm to pitch in the pen before Contreras takes the mound Sat, they should call up either Childers or Rodriguez from Charlotte. Both have been great pitching more than 1 inning at a time--IIRC, Childers has given up 0 runs in his last 10 games, like in 15 innings. Rodriguez just threw 3 innings last night. So he likely wouldn't be ready to give the sox any innings. Of the guys the sox have called up--Richard, Wasserman, Russell, and Carrasco--both Childers and Rodriguez have had better numbers.

QUOTE (Whitewashed in '05 @ Jul 20, 2008 -> 04:55 PM) Loaiza's coming back! I think Ozzie and KW will probably go with someone whose been here already... so we might see Haeger or Broadway. If Broadway wasn't doing bad I would give him the call. The thing about Haeger is he hasn't had much success starting up here in his limited time. We really have no good options right now. Sorry, but Haeger had had only one start, back in May 2006 as a spot replacement for Contreras. All other appearances have been in relief.

Another solid outing for Charlie Haeger...7 IP, 5 hits, 2 ER, 1 BB, 5 K's. Runs his record to 8-7, and ERA drops again to 4.02. After some rough outings early in the season, he has been the most consistent starter in Charlotte. Last 12 starts his numbeers are;W-L 5-3, ERA 2.62, IP 65.1, Hits 52, ER 19, BB 25, K's 46 QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ Jul 11, 2008 -> 07:50 PM) Charlotte jumps to an early 1st inning 3-1 lead against Richmond. Getz w/ a 2 run HR, scoring Bourgeois. Haeger pitching. Carolina @ B-Ham, just about to start. Poreda starting. W-S with an early 3-0 lead on Frederick, thanks to Shelby's 3-run HR. Long started. Kanny beating Rome, 2-1 in the 3rd. Socolovich pitching. Bristol @ Greeneville, scoreless in the 3rd. Martinez (1-0 with a 1.47 ERA in 4 starts so far) pitching for Bristol. Great Falls @ Orem, 8:05 CT, no starter announced yet.

You're correct...it's the humidity that provides resistance to make the knuckler flutter. Notice how difficult it is for him in Tucson. When he gets a few starts under his belt in Charlotte, he's fine! At 24 years old, and having 3-4 years of experience under his belt, Haeger will be around for a long time. I'm not sure, but I think he's out of options after 2008..... QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ Jul 7, 2008 -> 10:30 AM) I thought that with knucklers, it wasn't a function of temperature, as much as humidity. And wind.

And how about Charlie Haeger??? Last 10 starts his ERA is 2.82. Leads the league in IP's, record is now 7-7. I look for a big second half from the knuckler! QUOTE (scenario @ Jul 6, 2008 -> 11:50 PM) Look at Jason Bourgeois' splits... OMG is he hot. Almost insane. Batted .393 in June; .442 OBP; .590 SLG; 1.032 OPS... this is in 117 at-bats. And to start off June... 9 for 19 (.474). His season BA is now up to .302. Stunning comeback.

Hey, there's another guy in Charlotte besides Broadway who's been putting up some pretty good numbers as of late. Over the last month Haeger has been outstanding. His record is only 4-4, but he should have 6+ wins. The pen has let him down a few times. His ERA over the last 7 starts has been around 3.00 and his BB/K ratio has been very good. He's been the best pitcher in Charlotte recently. frankly, I would take Broadway or haeger vs. EL.

QUOTE (scenario @ Jun 4, 2008 -> 09:11 PM) Looks like DeWayne Wise cleared waivers. He's in the lineup for Charlotte tonight. And something else... I'm beginning to believe that Charlie Haeger should only pitch after the weather warms up. Seems like as soon it does, his knuckleball starts working. Until then, he's worthless. Afterwards, he looks like a real pitcher. Charlie has been the best pitcher in Charlotte for the past month, but you never hear or read about him. In his last 7 starts he has been outstanding. I hope he gets traded at the deadline to a team that will utilize his talents. He deserves the same shot provided to Floyd. Charlie is a starter, but everytime he has been brought up, he's been used out of the pen. The Sox need to take a long look at this kid. He has one option remaining and can be a free agent after 2008. He out pitched Buchholz last night and over the last few starts has done a great job regarding his BB/K ratio.

QUOTE(ScottyDo @ Mar 30, 2008 -> 12:51 PM) If Masset isn't on the roster, we have NO ONE in the bullpen capable of throwing multiple innings. That is not okay no matter how many crazy message board scenarios we come up with to fix that issue using Ehren. Wasserman is better, but Masset is the only right choice. Now does it suck that we don't have a GOOD long reliever? Sure. But Wasserman, who doesn't fit that role, is not a realistic option. I suppose we could have Haeger up again but we already saw how that worked out. Broadway, maybe a little better, but I think it's better if we just leave him a starter and let him get his innings in in AAA. So yeah, no option other than Masset. Sorry. I suppose we could have Haeger up again but we already saw how that worked out. Broadway, maybe a little better, but I think it's better if we just leave him a starter and let him get his innings in in AAA. Check out the career stats comparing Haeger to Masset...Haeger has a 4.85 ERA vs. Masset's 6.56. Haeger had an ERA of 2.25 the second half of 2007 in Charlotte. This isn't about the best fit for the role. It's about options...all business!

QUOTE(Kalapse @ Jul 11, 2007 -> 10:48 PM) I do remember the news Haeger's promotion last year originated from a low post count member with ties to Charlie several hours before it was announced. I buy it. Bingo...we have a winner!

QUOTE(BearSox @ Jul 11, 2007 -> 10:42 PM) well, I've never talked or even seen either of them before (no offense) and just a post saying Charlie Haeger is coming doesn't really do much for me. I'm not calling them liers, but would like to see a source for something like this. Did you mean (spell check) liars? QUOTE(SoxAce @ Jul 11, 2007 -> 10:42 PM) Wcw2323 is an outstanding poster with alot of credability so I believe him post counts (which is severely overrated) or not. Are you crazy or just drinking the Kool-Aid?

QUOTE(Heads22 @ Jul 11, 2007 -> 10:39 PM) I'm not sure why two different people, including one I've talked to before, would come on here and make this up, so I believe them. I am Spartacus

QUOTE(BearSox @ Jul 11, 2007 -> 10:36 PM) where are you guys getting the info on Charlie getting called up? Heard it from a friend of his.