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QUOTE (Kenny Hates Prospects @ Oct 14, 2009 -> 11:35 AM) You'd have to get a lot more than market value to offset that kind of PR disaster. It would be like the equivalent of what would happen to KFC if Colonel Sanders were to suddenly pop up on the national sex offender registry. I think that you overestimate the PR disaster from dealing Mark. I'm sure that some people wouldn't be happy, but it wouldn't be anything near what we saw when the front office pulled the plug on the team in '94 and '97.

If Mark is the 4th best pitcher on the team, one has to question why we're paying him $14M/yr. It might make more sense to use that money to lock up Danks. I like how our rotation is set up right now and wouldn't have a problem with keeping MB for the duration of his contract. But if we're still having problems scoring runs next year and are mired in third place in July, I'd be dangling him to see what kind of hitting prospects I could get in return. He'll be 31 next year, he has over 2000 innings on his arm, and we've probably already seen his best years.

QUOTE (SoxFan562004 @ Oct 13, 2009 -> 03:23 PM) and MB is not bitter about it at all. I have an excellent source about how happy MB is That's good news. I like MB.

QUOTE (iamshack @ Oct 13, 2009 -> 02:17 PM) That comment was made months ago, and no one even knows for sure whether he was serious or not. The point is is that these guys measure themselves at least partially by how much money they make. Remember, these are spoiled-rotten guys that have had things handed to them all their lives due to their ability. Whether something is fair or not, or whether a guy chose to sign a contract in the past is often of no matter to them. It's simply about who makes what and how does that compare to my peers. I'm not saying certain players of ours are like this, especially not Gavin. I'm just pointing out that these squabbles come up fairly often and I think it would be best to try and keep Danksy and Gavin on a fairly similar salary plane. I agree with this. On the other hand, if Mark has a problem with Kenny trading for Peavy to help the team win and paying Peavy the contract that Towers wrote and signed, Mark can go play for his beloved Cardinals in return for two or three of their top prospects.

QUOTE (iamshack @ Oct 13, 2009 -> 01:20 PM) Didn't something come out about Mark making a comment about Peavy's salary the first time we traded for him? http://fannation.sportsillustrated.cnn.com...ors/view/112656? So, Mark's never won a Cy Young or even been a top-tier pitcher in the AL, but now wants to "renegotiate" his contract because of Peavy? That's pretty weak. Towers gave Peavy that contract, not Kenny. I like Mark and appreciate all that he's done, but this isn't the NFL. Mark is going to get all $56 million of that deal, no matter what. So where is the justification for a contract renegotiation?

QUOTE (wilmot825 @ Oct 13, 2009 -> 12:58 PM) Don't forget Kevin Towers of San Diego was fired too...wonder if dealing Jake Peavy had anything to do with that? The Padres are in full salary-dump/rebuild mode right now, so I doubt that dumping Peavy's contract hurt him that much.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Oct 13, 2009 -> 12:00 PM) Trust me, Ozzie and Kenny got more heat than Wise did. Except for all of the classy folk who booed Wise mercilessly early in the season. I never understood that. It's not Wise's fault that he was in Chicago, rather than Charlotte.

QUOTE (Princess Dye @ Oct 13, 2009 -> 11:24 AM) It's always a mystery to me how a Carlos Quentin hits .235 and never takes much heat for it on these boards. Most likely because everybody knew that he was playing through a very painful foot injury.

QUOTE (elrockinMT @ Oct 13, 2009 -> 08:40 AM) The older you get in the game of baseball the more you have to adjust your exercise regimen. And if you don't have a good regimen when you're in your 20's, you may end up battling constant injuries when you hit your 30's (Griffey).

QUOTE (LVSoxFan @ Oct 13, 2009 -> 08:40 AM) Oh, please. It's laughable that on a team with people like Konerko you would claim HE out-hustled Pods? I'm not talking about stealing bases, I'm talking overall hustle and spirit. Like I said, bring Pods back. I like the attitude. "Hustle" is about effort, not raw speed. He's correct that Pods routinely dogged it on ground balls. Unless he was fighting a nagging injury, his "attitude" wasn't very good in that regard.

QUOTE (Thunderbolt @ Oct 13, 2009 -> 08:29 AM) Hey, this isn't a new claim by me. I never said i hated Getz, i just think that if Nix can get his batting average up he's the better player. Hell, i'll even concede that Getz might be the better option, as of now I'm just busting your balls.

Two things to take away from this: (1) The back problems suggest that he hasn't lost much raw ability over the past couple of years. (2) His attitude towards staying in shape is disturbing, particularly in light of these back problems. Getting in better shape doesn't necessarily mean losing weight. He could certainly benefit from some stretching and light weightlifting, and his reluctance to do so AFTER he's been battling two seasons of nagging back problems shows that he's not being very professional.

QUOTE (Thunderbolt @ Oct 13, 2009 -> 08:12 AM) Getz is the most fundamentally sound player on the team.

QUOTE (greg775 @ Oct 12, 2009 -> 12:06 PM) If the Sox are out of it in July in our cruddy division, people will want heads to roll. It will be ugly. Since everybody would be pissed off anyway, that would be a good time to deal Mark. He'd net a very nice package of young players.

QUOTE (East Side Z @ Oct 12, 2009 -> 11:20 AM) Linebrink for Pierre, Im not fan of at all,Don't like trading bad contracts for bad contracts and i think Linebrink will have a BIG year in 2010............He's due. It's also possible that the Dodgers want to hold onto Pierre. Isn't Manny a FA next year? It's possible that they part ways with him, and it's not like Pierre sucked in his place earlier this year.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Oct 12, 2009 -> 10:07 AM) Big Jim is 39 and Johnson is 31. That may make JT more affordable than NJ on the FA market. We also have a significant advantage in re-signing JT, not unlike LAA's advantage in re-signing Abreu.

QUOTE (iamshack @ Oct 11, 2009 -> 09:57 PM) We really need to stop counting on Abreu for anything. There is absolutely no way, that if he somehow escapes the Angels' clutches, that he's going to be doing it to sign with the White Sox. ^^^

QUOTE (iamshack @ Oct 11, 2009 -> 07:19 PM) My one issue is with Getz. For those who are suggesting he replace Podsednik as the leadoff hitter, I'm just wondering how that will work considering Getz simply cannot hit lefties. Platooning him with Nix would be my first thought, although that brings up the problem of finding a leadoff hitter for those days. Can't say that I have an answer for that one.

QUOTE (South Side Fireworks Man @ Oct 11, 2009 -> 03:18 PM) Exactly. $6M for Thome is foolish. If he can get $6M from someone else, he should jump at it. But if he really wants to play in Chicago, $2M is fair for a platoon DH. You're not going to get either him or Thome for $2M. QUOTE (knightni @ Oct 11, 2009 -> 03:43 PM) The problem is that he's a waste of a 25 man spot. He has no versatility nor can he play full time anymore. Is a 20 HR 65 RBI .225 BA 100+K season worth clogging up the bases and taking up a spot that a kid could take? I'd gladly pay Thome $5-$6M to "clog up the bases" with the .847 OPS and 23 HRs he put up this year. This team desperately needs another player in the middle of the lineup who can both get on base and drive in runs consistently.

QUOTE (Kenny Hates Prospects @ Oct 11, 2009 -> 11:27 AM) That said, I still hope we shop Flowers heavily over the offseason. I'm not sure if I'd want to deal Flowers, but if Kenny could get somebody like Soria in return for a Flowers and a couple more prospects, it might be worth it.

QUOTE (PlunketChris @ Oct 11, 2009 -> 10:48 AM) $6M is a little steep, but I agree with using him as a "bridge" and in a lesser role than as the everyday DH. More of a rotating DH slot would be good for the team. I'll happily take both of them on the team, which is not unrealistic. Agreed. I also agree about the "rotating DH" concept. Giving Flowers a day or two a week at DH and a day at C would be a great way to get him a lot of major-league at-bats.

QUOTE (elrockinMT @ Oct 11, 2009 -> 11:00 AM) Admit it... The Yankees hornswoggled the Sox n the Swisher deal. It might be a different story if we had gotten some ral vlaue back, but we lost on it. Now maybe next year one of those guys all of sudden surfaces as a real gem then we will be saying how the Sox won on the deal. It's all a crap shoot. The thread wil die when you admit KW got fleeced More like KW made a bad decision by trading for a guy who didn't fit into the clubhouse culture.

QUOTE (Thunderbolt @ Oct 11, 2009 -> 10:41 AM) I'd take Thome too, but I don't really find Abreu to be altogether unrealistic He's a lot less realistic than Thome, given that he's very happy in Anaheim (and the feeling is mutual), more teams will be interested in him, and he'll command more money and years. I would absolutely take Abreu over Thome. But it's going to be a lot easier to get JT to come back to an organization that he already likes and a city where his family is already set up.

QUOTE (3E8 @ Oct 11, 2009 -> 10:33 AM) You can't just take an OPS out of thin air and use it to determine how much a player will be worth. The ratio of OBP to SLG can make a big difference in calculating value (a point of OBP is better than a point of slugging.) And Thome's plate discipline has gotten progressively worse in his White Sox tenure Give us a better realistic option (i.e., not Figgins, Abreu, or Bay) to replace Thome/Dye next year.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Oct 11, 2009 -> 08:17 AM) I don't see $17 million in difference. Obviously, Swisher's is slightly better, but fangraphs obviously has a major flaw in how the value players. If Dye had 20 more walks their numbers would basically be identical. Fangraphs also doesn't account for Swisher's douchebag attitude rubbing members of the Sox organization the wrong way. Most people who have bad relationships with their employers tend to not excel at their jobs. Not surprisingly, this is exactly what happened to Swish last year. I have a difficult time believing that he would've put up this year's NY numbers in Chicago.