Pants Rowland

Forget it, he's rolling.

Your point about the difficulty of hitting is valid, but if a hitter wants to take a walk, I suspect there will be the opportunity to earn it by not swinging. There could be a benefit to not always rewarding a hitter for constantly spoiling off pitches close to the zone until the pitcher is worn out and gives in.

There is definitely an argument to be made for capping the number of pitches per at bat not only for pitcher's health but also to keep the game moving. Right now, the maximum not counting fouls is 6. I think a max of 8-10 could be reasonable. I suspect the history of balls and strikes were to give a hitter a reasonable chance to put a ball in play. The pitcher needs to throw it within a zone that gives hitters that chance. If they just keep spoiling off good pitches, though, it seems to defeat that rationale.

OK, how in the heck is this news not reported on mlb.com yet? I mean I know he was banned, but I think this is even bigger than the Mets-Braves DH IMHO.

Omar Vizquel

Cousins are the best

I don't disagree with the assessment and suspect 2024 will prove to be one of the worst all time Sox season records. However, I actually enjoyed watching last night's game.

You're thinking of Caulfield

No one has mentioned Paniagua yet? Steve Dahl should get honorable mention as well.

Sadly, I think our Sox might make that list.

I think we have the makings of a soxtalk meet-up theme at the ol' ballgame next year. Can we also tie an onion to our belts?

I understand why no one has any confidence in anything this organization does, but if what Lip says is true and they entirely dismiss many of these "White Sox Way" lifers in the next few weeks, I doubt it is just to appease the fans. Coupled with the departure of Hahn/Williams, it could be the most major overhaul in the history of this ownership. I am not saying Getz is the solution or that they will do a good job picking the next staff, but I am not sure it can get much worse. So, I can live with Grifol another season if they bring in talented coaches and evaluators from outside the dysfunctional White Sox family. Grifol's work at the ML level is the least concern with the number of other problems the org has from the ground up.

What is interesting is I have heard the Sox are not the only team like this. They may take it to the lowest low, but in general, players are responsible for a lot of their own development in many organizations. Mentoring is really hit or miss depending on the MiLB level and primary position.

Congrats, You did it!

This echoes a notion I have had in the past few years of lousy White Sox baseball. In this era where we have technology that allows us to watch any team we want, is the bandwagon approach actually the smart play? We've been shamed to think it is a poor approach to fandom, but why? Rarely are White Sox players from the area, so it's not as if you're cheering for the hometown boys. Further, while the ballpark experience is fun, it is grossly overpriced and there are cheaper summer alternatives like local minor league baseball, among others. So, why let a lousy franchise with a consistently mediocre product make us miserable while we watch a game we supposedly love, all while pouring hard earned $$$ into that franchise? If you really just love fun quality baseball, it makes more sense to invest in the MLB package and follow the young up and coming exciting teams. Then go to a Chicago Dogs game when you want a fun outing to the ballpark. The White Sox are just not worth my time, $, and emotions.

Yeah, but it was in glorious color!

uh oh, Moncada down after collision.

Just outside Ebbing, Missouri

Let's sign him, too.

Classic underpromise, over deliver strategy. They'll come out with some comments saying despite prior announcements, they saw an opportunity to get better so they pushed the budget and hopefully the fans reward them via attendance. Blah blah blah.

Agreed. Although I thought the same thing about Jerry Manuel way back when.

With absolutely ZERO support beyond his DUI history, I strongly suspect it is related to some level of alcoholism and/or mental health issues. I see no other reason to be so cagey about his medical condition. The fact that he looked and sounded so much better in his farewell press conference makes me think he has been focused on some program to get cleaned up. Again, I have no sources nor any expertise in any of this stuff. Just a dummy on a message board speculating.

A family friend son is in the Cleveland organization, known for being better than most franchises at the player development side of things. He says that even there you're still very much on your own when it comes to developing your craft. The bonus babies get a bit more attention but to this day a lot of franchises think you either got it or you don't. They draft the big body, power guys and ignore the Altuves of the world. I believe the only thing saving the Sox from even worse seasons is the fact so many other teams in baseball aren't much better at development, scouting, and drafting.