Lillian

I agree. It's not a huge value. However, the question should be; "is it a better value than $16 million for Kimbrel?" Since we don't know what the market for Kimbrel is, perhaps we should simply ask ourselves whether we would rather have Segura on a one year $14.25 million contract, plus the $1 million to buy his option out, next year, or Kimbrel on a $16 million, one year contract? Of course, this is all hypothetical, because we don't even know whether Dombrowski would make the trade, even if Hahn proposed it. I even wonder how many teams would take Kimbrel, if the Sox offered to just give him away, with his one year contract. It's going to be interesting to see what Hahn can get for him.

Thanks, I know better, but had a "brain cramp".

You aren't "going crazy". Perhaps Hahn could simply find some team willing to take Kimbrel and his contract, for a couple of prospects. Then the Sox could sign whomever they want to fill their holes. Not a good look for the GM, but that would work. That doesn't sound like what Hahn is trying to do. He exercised that option, with the idea of trading him. If all he gets are a couple of lower level prospects, it means that he gave up Heuer and Madrigal for less than half a season of Kimbrel, and a couple of low level prospects. Hey, I might do that, but I doubt that Hahn would. I'm just guessing that he would prefer to fill one of the holes, going into next season, with the Kimbrel "asset" (or liability, as some of us might think).

My reasoning is that, since the commitment already now exists with the Sox having exercised Kimbrel's option, they need to trade him and that contract. If they can accomplish that, while filling the hole at second base, that leaves money available for the other acquisitions. I wouldn't have exercised Kimbrel's option, but that is now a mute point.

That's fine, and I wouldn't quarrel with where he would bat in the lineup. He could bat 9TH. It's the payroll flexibility that he affords that is the most intriguing to me. He's a good player and that contract would afford the Sox the opportunity to spend more on guys like Conforto and a starter. It's not that his contract is cheap, but that it's not long term. I'd still be very happy with a short term deal for Escobar, no more than 2 years. But then they still have to find a trading partner for Kimbrel. Do you guys really think that someone will offer more than Segura? I have my doubts. Ideally, the Sox can fill at least one of their holes, with Kimbrel.

There is substantial value in not having to commit to a long term contract. As I stated earlier, Segura is owed $14.25 million for 2022, with a team option for 2023, at $17 million. That would provide payroll flexibility, which can be used to fill the other needs. He's an excellent defensive second baseman, with good speed and a high OBP. He makes a lot of contact and can expected to get on base. He would likely replace Anderson, at the top of the order and allow Tim to move to the 2 hole, where he can hit behind the runner, with his ability to utilize the right side of the field, as has been pointed out.

Well, I guess someone here is even more concerned than I am, about the lack of LH hitters in the Sox organization. I'm glad to know that, and yes, I've favored the Escobar and Conforto suggestion, but that doesn't solve unloading Kimbrel. Nevertheless, I hear you and I won't disagree.

The idea floated here, which has Kimbrel going to the Phillies for Segura, makes some sense. Dombrowski is prioritizing a closer, so it is probably a realistic possibility. Segura is owed $14.25 million this year, with a $17 million team option for next season. He would give the Sox a high OBP, good defensive second baseman, who could play SS, if Anderson gets injured. Not having the baggage of a long term contract would free up salary for Conforto, who would fill the hole in RF and the need for more LH power. The best part is that those two moves would still leave room to acquire a top of the rotation starter and bullpen help. If the article's claim that Mr. Reinsdorf is ready to spend money is true, this scenario would be a reasonable allocation of those additional funds..

He is 29 and 14, over the last 4 seasons, with a sub 3.40 ERA and a WHIP around 1.150. He has averaged about 1 K per inning. He would seem to be a solid addition to the Sox rotation. He isn't Scherzer, but then he won't cost anywhere near what Max would.

Are you sure that Bassitt is not a "high impact player"? He's been pretty consistently good, IMHO.

In summary: I would choose "Chicago White Sox" option B: Option B: Michael Conforto: 4/$76M | $19M AAV Eduardo Escobar: 2/$20M | $10M AAV Chris Bassitt ($9M) for Jake Burger, Jose Rodriguez, & Jason Bilous I'd add 2 bullpen arms and a good defensive backup catcher. It wouldn't hurt to resign Leury for the bench. Line up vs. RHP 3B Moncada SS Anderson 1B/DH Abreu RF Conforto LF Eloy CF Robert C Grandal 1B/DH Sheets 2B Escobar BENCH: Leury, Engel, back up catcher and someone like Hamilton for defensive replacement and pinch runner. Trade Vaughn for more starting rotation depth (good, young Major League ready pitching prospect).

Good point, "kleedawg". Although, teams might shift toward the right side, in that situation, leaving the SS to cover 2ND. Moreover, Semien is not a high OBP hitter, but rather more of a run producer and therefore probably should hit lower in the order. Perhaps Moncada should lead off, with his high OBP and then bat T. A. 2ND, as you suggest. In any case, I don't expect the Sox to sign Semien. It would be a nice surprise.

If they signed both Semien and Conforto, Vaughn would become expendable and better utilized as trade bait for pitching depth. The lineup would be dangerous, one through 9. In fact, one would be challenged to construct a lineup, given the fact that somebody has to bat in the bottom third of the order: Versus RHP: SS Anderson 3B Moncada CF Robert 1B Abreu 2B Semien RF Conforto LF Eloy C Grandal DH Sheets That lineup has 3 RH hitters batting consecutively, in the middle of the order. However, how else could it be constructed. It wouldn't make sense for Robert, Abreu or Semien to bat any lower, especially with how well Semien hits RHP. That is why it just seems like overkill. Perhaps, Conforto and Escobar make more sense, with the money saved, spent on pitching. Escobar would cost a fraction of what Semien will get. Moreover, Vaughn could still be traded for pitching, as there is no room for him, even if Escobar is added, instead of Semien.

Semien has also become an exceptionally good hitter versus RHP, for a guy who bats from the right side. Take a look at his split stats, in recent years. Sure would make Sox fans forget about "Nicky Two Strikes". Adding Conforto and Semien to that lineup would make it the most potent in baseball. If they added a top of the rotation starter, another bullpen arm, and a defense first, back up catcher, they might just become odds on favorites to win it all next season. If Garfein is correct, it would appear that Mr. Reinsdorf is all in, which means that he would also be willing to fund the other necessary acquisitions. LaRussa knows the value of pitching depth and wouldn't advise spending all of the resources on offense. It certainly would be surprising to see the Sox spend that kind of money, but maybe the Chairman expects to capture the city's fan base, by putting together a roster that grabs the spot light. Fun to dream big, at any rate. Frankly, it seems like overkill, with more offense than needed. Adding Semien and Conforto to an already good lineup of Anderson, Robert, Moncada, Abreu, Eloy, Grandal and either Vaughn or Sheets, is probably not the best allocation of player salaries. Remember, this team did not have either Eloy, or Robert, for most of last season. I'd prefer one solid middle of the order, LH bat and more pitching depth. Bring back Rodon, sign another capable starter and a good set up man, for the pen. It seems like a team needs about 7 starters to overcome the injuries, in this era.

Look at his stats vs. RHP. In his career, he is a .265 hitter, but with a .371 OBP and a .502 SLG% and with an acceptable SO rate. It's even better, in recent years. He could quite possibly be our best hitter vs. RHP. It's enough for me to get "excited".

Conforto's career stats, vs. RHP: AVG .265 OBP .371 SLG .502 OPS .873 Platoon him with Engel and have Adam also be Conforto's late inning defensive replacement, if you're worried about his defense. The Sox are not going to make Eloy a DH, this early in his career. We may disagree, but it isn't happening. Gavin needs to split time with Abreu, between first base and DH. Grandal can catch against opposing RHP, and rest on days against LHP. That should give him enough rest, without having to play him at first base, unless Sheets proves not to be effective vs LHP, in which case Grandal DH's vs. LHP, batting from the right side. Vaughn might net a very good pitching prospect, if not, it seems like he may have to wait for Jose to retire. A.V. would be a very capable corner outfielder, if he weren't so slow. Being RH and short are really considerable obstacles to being a first baseman, especially with other guys in front of him at that spot. La Russa seems to love Leury, so my guess is that they bring him back, in which case Tony will play him regularly. most likely at second base, which isn't a bad idea. However, someone else will have to be that versatile utility man, if Garcia continues to be a regular. I'd personally prefer to see what they have in Romy Gonzales at second, and keep Garcia as a bench player. I don't see Tony limiting Leury's use, that way. Perhaps he would, if there were enough better players in the corner outfield spots and second base. We'll see. It would be great if Keuchel, Kimbrel and perhaps someone like Burger, could net another really promising and Major League ready, starting pitcher, as no one in the Sox farm system looks to be ready. No ideas regarding who that might be. In any case, as we've noted, the Sox will likely limit Keuchel's innings, in order to avoid the exercise of his 2023 option. Therefore, acquiring another starter seems essential, especially the way pitchers seem to lack durability in this era.

Four switch hitters in the lineup. I like it.

I agree with your assessment of priorities. I hope that you didn't think that I was suggesting that the Sox not play Moncada. He's going to be our third baseman for at least the rest of this season, and probably for the next few years. However, I hope that you can appreciate the suggestion that he has some issues, which he needs to address.

Here is another glaring and troubling stat, regarding Moncada. He is tied for 10TH in the AL, in strike outs, with 125. That is more than 10 times his home run total of 11. He is striking out like a slugger, which unfortunately, he isn't. That flaw in his offensive game has got to be addressed. Either he has to hit more homers, or stop striking out. A team can live with a 3 true outcome hitter, like Gallo, but not with a "2 outcome" hitter. A guy can't just walk, or strike out. Power has to be part of that equation. If this trend continues, he is not a $24 million a year player, even though the Sox will ultimately be paying him that. Regarding salary; the worst part of that contract is the $5 million buy out, which the Sox would have to pay, in order to avoid his $25 million option, for 2025. His contract still has 2 years of reasonable salary, before jumping to $24 million, in 2024. He's 26, in his prime, with almost 2,000 MLB at bats. It's time for Yoan to figure it out. Let's hope so.

Baseball Reference, under "Splits": https://www.baseball-reference.com/players/split.fcgi?id=moncayo01&year=2021&t=b

Regarding where Moncada should bat, in the order: He has had his best success this season, by far, hitting 3RD. That is the spot, at which he has the most plate appearances and he's hitting .294 with an OBP of .422 and a SLG of .421. Nevertheless, hitting him 3RD would be a big gamble, at this point, with the way he looks at the plate. Perhaps he needs more help than simply moving him up in the order. What about a change in his approach to hitting? When he was a prospect, the talk was always about his comp to his idol, Robinson Cano. He was supposed to be "Cano with speed". That hasn't been the case. Maybe he should shorten up his swing and try to be more of a contact hitter, who is willing to spray the ball to all fields. His approach is more of a slugger's, which he does not appear to be. A few attempted bunts, for a base hit, wouldn't be a bad idea either. With his speed, especially from the left batter's box, he could probably grab quite a few hits, with such an approach. Moreover, it would force opposing teams to leave the third baseman in, and on the left side of the diamond. The other change in his approach, which I have wanted for a long time, is becoming more of a defensive hitter, with 2 strikes. I've said it before, but he just doesn't seem to battle and foul off pitches, with 2 strikes. Far too often, he strikes out looking, or takes his normal big hack, with unsatisfactory results. He appears to be looking for something he likes, in his sweet spot, as most hitters do when ahead in the count, even when he has 2 strikes. That might be his most frustrating tendency. Again, I don't know what they should, or will do about his struggles at the plate. However, simply moving him to the heart of the order may not be worth risking potentially negative effects, on the total offense, especially when the Sox have so many much better options for that critical part of the lineup.

FYI: This Oakland lefty has moderately reverse splits. Not much sense in stacking the lineup with all RH hitters.

"CaliSoxFan..." and others, like myself, are not trying to say that Goodwin is a great player, or that he should be signed to a long term deal. I think that our point is simply that he has been a serviceable, inexpensive substitute for our injury devastated outfield. After all, for a good portion of the season, the Sox have been without our top 4 outfield regulars. The guy has contributed and has helped to fill the void. He was never expected to be Adam Engel, or Luis Robert on defense, or to hit like Eloy. He has been pretty much what he was with the Angels, in 2019 and part of last year. He provides a little power, from the left side and can play all 3 outfield positions, although none of them particularly well. His splits against RHP are actually the best of his career, so far for the Sox. He's hitting .282, with a .383 OBP and a .553 SLG. HIs OPS is .937, which is tops on the team, for anyone with over 50 at bats. That production versus RHP has really helped balance the lineup, which has a recent history of struggling versus right handers. None of these players are without flaws and Goodwin is certainly not even close to being a star. However, when a guy is brought in, on a very inexpensive one year contract and contributes to a winning ball club, he deserves to be lauded and appreciated. He has certainly lived up to, and probably exceeded, most people's expectations. As a fan, I simply prefer to applaud his efforts and root for him to continue, until this team can get healthy.

Perhaps, however he did hit the walk off homer today. After all, isn't performance what it's all about? Did you see his stats for the 3 game series? Next to Seby's unbelievable night, Goodwin was arguably the most productive hitter, in the series.

Responding to the questions about Xavier Fernandez: Yes, he has always been considered a very good defensive catcher. He was blocked by Salvador Perez and Gallagher, in the Royal's system, and was picked up by the Sox. He was always a defense first receiver, but has been hitting, as well, this year. I remember reading this article when the Sox acquired him, 3 years ago: https://royalsfarmreport.com/2018/09/11/xavier-fernandez-deserves-a-40-man-roster-spot-this-november/ And yes, I know that he bats right handed. Touche.