Capn12

Hey now, don't slaughter my good name like that!! Theres only one Captain Obvious!!

I remember Mr. Bungle....maybe I need to check into some of that stuff.

Well, if we get 70 mill to play with, then you are gonna see teh best Sox team on the field in 2004, that we've seen in years. We have arguably the best 1-2-3 in the A.L. Central, tons of power potential...especially if we upgrade at SS. And keep Gordon and Marte. That means letting Sully walk, and having a bullpen spot open next year.

If you give Kazuo or Tejada the money that Everett would be making, actually less, say 7-7.5 mil...we can still keep the payroll at what it is now...but, the $64,000 question....will JR take the staples off the wallet?

Ok, whatever guys....fact is, look at his numbers after the all-star break in 2002: G GS W L SV CG SHO IP H R ER HR BB K ERA WHIP BAA Pre All Star 36 0 1 4 9 0 0 41.0 40 22 22 5 10 31 4.83 1.22 .253 Post All-Star 29 0 1 0 2 0 0 36.2 25 4 3 2 3 27 0.74 0.76 .191 He should still be here, as the closer, plain and simple. Damn, Sox fans have such selective memories, only remembering the few times players don't get it done, instead of the overwhelming amount of times that they did get it done. In his time as a White Sox player, Keith had 100 saves, 425 K's in 446 IP, and a 2.87 ERA. Yeah, I can see all of you guys points clearly, he wasn't needed here at all

And anti-kudos to KW for making Foulke feel like he wasn't wanted here at all.... :fyou K-Dub!!! Foulke shoulda still been here wearing good ole number 29...that still sickens me.

Mike Patton has that kind of voice that is recognizable, and yet memorable anytime you hear it. I used to wear the FNM stuff out.

Bulls***!!! I call bulls***. No way in hell that a $55 million payroll should be 'straining' JR and the boys. This is the type of crap that Sox fans have to put up with, and if its gonna be this way, why does JR even continue to bother? Oh, how nice would it be for someone with dedication to winning something to take over this franchise?

see the Serious Talk for Next Years Team thread I started for salary information...

Was it on Angel Dust that the cover of "Easy like Sunday Morning" was on? Man, I loved that version of that song.

IMO, Shockey needs less shooting his mouth off, more catching the damn ball when its thrown to him....obviously I'm not a big fan of the Mouth of the Giants.

Matsui won't be around "if its too late" on the other 2. He will be heavily pursued by those teams that need a SS, and we arent alone in that area. We gotta make competitive offers to Matsui AND Tejada, and hope we convince one of them to sign with us.

Huh?? In terms of quality starts, that being minimum 6 IP and 3 or fewer ER, the guy has gone out and had 6 quality starts in a row...compared to Buehrles 3 in a row, Colons 5 in a row, and Loaizas 0 in a row.....uh, I'm all for a 23 year old that can get it done in the heat of a pennant race. Not sure what else you wat the guy to do, considering hes taking up only 375K in salary!!!

Between Everett and Jose, thats 14.15 mill that can be spent on a SS of high caliber, a la Kazuo Matsui, or Miguel Tejada. That makes the most sense to me, although I haven't heard of the latest demands from Tejada...Jason, whats he looking for?

Easier said than done. Those 2 are responsible for 14.375 mil next year, and have been probably the least productive in most Sox fans minds this year, so of course they are the first that most people wanna get rid of. Other GMs know the same things that we do, and know that Konerko at 8 mil for this years production, and Koch at 6.375 mil for this years production aren't worth taking a shot on. They are with us in 2004, good or bad.

IMO, Colon at 9 or 9.5 mil is MUCH more important than Everett at any cost. I may be one of the few people that won't mind seeing Carl leave. He's done really good things while here, but he is not a necessity.

I'm not so sure that SJSU can take Nevada out...what, nevermind, I'm thinking UNLV...yeah, Nevada is BAD. In other noews, my USC boys should be 3-1 after this weeks thrashing of UAB. Sets up nicely for a road trip to Knoxville Tennessee.

Thing is, I'm pretty sure that Schoene will be back next year, considering what we gave up, and the fact that it is KW. And I'm positive that Koch will be back. Everett doesn't need to be back really, IMO. Thats where the real money savings are gonna come. 9.15 Mill that can be put towards Colon, and others.

1. Carl Everett 9,150,000 Unrestricted FA 2. Magglio Ordonez 9,000,000 One more year, 14 mill 3. Bartolo Colon 8,250,000 Unrestricted FA 4. Roberto Alomar 7,689,684 Wants 2 year deal, at signifigantly less porbably 5. Paul Konerko 6,250,000 8 mill in 2004, 8.75 in 2005, 50K raise if traded 6. Jose Valentin 5,000,000 Unrestricted FA 7. Frank Thomas 5,000,000 Mutual options, gonna either cost us 6 or 8 mil 8. Billy Koch 4,250,000 6.375 mill in 2004, 6.5 mill if he pitches in 65 g. 9. Carlos Lee 4,200,000 Arbitration eligible 10. Scott Sullivan 2,800,000 3.1 mill option, or 250K buyout 11. Tom Gordon 1,400,000 Unrestricted FA 12. Sandy Alomar Jr. 700,000 Unrestricted FA 13. Tony Graffanino 675,000 Unrestricted FA 14. Kelly Wunsch 575,000 Unrestricted FA 15. Esteban Loaiza 500,000 3.5 mill team option in 2004, or 150K buyout 16. Armando Rios 450,000 Unrestricted FA 17. Brian Daubach 450,000 Unrestricted FA 18. Mark Buehrle 445,000 Arbitration eligible 19. Jon Garland 375,000 Arbitration eligible 20. Damaso Marte 330,000 Unrestricted FA 21. Dan Wright 325,000 Arbitration eligible or Restricted FA 22. Aaron Rowand 320,000 Arbitration eligible or Restricted FA 23. Joe Crede 315,000 only Arbitration eligible I think 24. Miguel Olivo 300,000 only Arbitration eligible I think 25. Josh Stewart 300,000 only Arbitration eligible I think 26. Scott Schoeneweis 1,425,000 Unrestricted FA -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Total Team Salary : 68,949,684 OK, so if we keep the team intact, its gonna be a Payroll of at least $85,260,000. Thats with Everett at this years salary, Robbie at 5 mil, Colon at this years salary, CLee at 7 mil, Flash at 2 mil, Jose at 5mil, Buehrle at 1 mil, Garland at 800K, Marte at 800K, Wright at 400K, Schoenweis at 1 mil, and the young guys at the same salary. Obviously, this isn't gonna happen. So, my best guess is that Everett walks, clearing 9.15 Mil. Jose walks, clearing 5 mil. Daubach and Rios walk, clearing 900K. Then, I believe that Sullivan leaves, clearing 3.1 mil, but costing us 250K to buy it out. That brings us to $67,360,000. Now we'd have a couple spots to fill, but I see that as doable myself. It all hinges on Colon agreeing to the 8 mil year contract, preferrably 3 years, and Robbie at 5 mil for 2 years. It also depends on the arbitration costs. This is doable. Your thoughts?

I'm not sure there is anyway possible to sign Colon to a 3 year deal, honestly. Think of the $$$ that will tie up with this "mid-range" payroll we have to keep. Maggs will be up for a new deal after 2004 I believe, CLee is due, Buehrle is due, Loz gets a BIG pay raise, Jose(if we keep him) is due, most of the bullpen is due. There isn't enough money to go around, IMO....and Everett is also as good as gone.

my USC boys get a bit of a break this week after the smacking by UGa last week. Its UAB at home this week, so we can run the record to 3-1 going into the UcheaT game in Knoxville.

Well, it won't be until February 2004, but thats when a new Fiona Apple CD comes out, and boy is it overdue!!! Been 5 years since the last one.

5. Wasnt it Howard Cosell on Monday Night Football? I'm pretty sure it was on MNF, but not sure who it was.

Hmmm, Top 10 Beatles songs...thats is indeed a tough thing to do...I'll try to get it to 14, thats the best I can do. 14. Old Brown Shoe 13. I'm Only Sleeping. 12. The Continuing Story of Bungalow Bill 11. I Want You (She's So Heavy) 10. You Never Give Me your Money 9. I'm Looking Through You 8. Helter Skelter 7. Dear Prudence 6. Glass Onion 5. A Day In the Life 4. Don't Let Me Down 3. Happiness is a Warm Gun 2. Rocky Raccoon 1. In My Life That is not easy to do.

Wasn't it Billy Preston on the keyboards?