Dick Allen

QUOTE(BearSox @ Jun 5, 2007 -> 01:00 PM) Is AGon still up here, and if so, why? He was on the bench last night. I really don't know what he does exactly.

The Cubs lost almost 100 games last year. If their players don't like Piniella why would upper management care? He needs to change the culture around there for them to have any chance.

Owens shouldn't be leading off.

If the starters can go 8, the Sox are in good shape. Garland was great tonight. There even were some hits.

QUOTE(Kalapse @ Jun 4, 2007 -> 09:40 PM) Yeah, pretty much, that and rip on A-Rod for being a little b****. Sutcliffe mentioned something like 5 times that if he were Rodriguez he would have left the extra $100M from Texas on the table and accepted the $150M deal from the Mariners. Congrats to him really, I don't buy a f***ing word of it but he feels the need to mention it every f***ing inning. Sutcliffe is the same guy who b****ed and moaned himself out of LA and Cleveland crying about money, and is talking about someone taking the extra $100 million and saying its a mistake. He must be drunk again.

Isn't Schnurstein about 40 years old now?

Nothing compares to me.

QUOTE(SoxFan1 @ Jun 4, 2007 -> 05:59 PM) I realize that, and I've pitched in the cold and hot many times, but knowing that you will probably have a better game doesn't make it any easier or more enjoyable for a pitcher. I knew I'd pitch well in the cold, unless I lost my control, but that didn't make me want to pray for cold weather every time out on the mound. Besides, in the cold, it's much easier to lose your control because you can't get as loose. It's the Contreras symptom. Contreras had 2 starts the first couple weeks of the season against the Indians. He got shelled on opening day which was about 65 degrees. His next start against them was about 35 degrees and he shut them down. Hitting in the cold is very difficult. You tend to grip the bat very tightly to try and avoid getting "bees" if you don't hit it solidly and that really slows the bat down, but the loss of carry with the ball. Whether or weather you believe it or not, a very cold day is "pitcher's" conditions.

QUOTE(SoxFan1 @ Jun 4, 2007 -> 05:50 PM) Are you kidding me? I have not seen or talked to 1 pitcher in my entire life that enjoys pitching in the cold. The wind has a lot more to do with it than the temperature. It's common sense to say the ball will go out when it's blowing out or it will stay in if it's blowing in, whether its 90 degrees or 30. You're getting ridiculous now. The ball doesn't travel as well in the cold for one thing. Pitchers may not enjoy pitching in the cold, but they know it should be good for their stats.

QUOTE(SoxFan1 @ Jun 4, 2007 -> 05:44 PM) Pitching in the cold isn't any easier than hitting in the cold. BS. Pitching in the cold with the wind blowing in is a pitcher's dream. I'll give you an example. Boone Logan gives up a grand slam to Derrick Lee. If the weather was 45 and the wind blowing in like the next day when Masset pitched, it was a little pop up to RF. QUOTE(SoxFan1 @ Jun 4, 2007 -> 05:47 PM) You really can't argue Jenks. He has been good ever since he came up. See second half 2006. But even if you want to take the year as a whole as decent, I'll give you that, but he's still very young, very fat , has a screw in his elbow, and a past that can reimerge at any time.

QUOTE(WCSox @ Jun 4, 2007 -> 05:39 PM) So, the "projected performances" of the Sox lineup's ability to score runs are KW's fault as well? What about the "projected performances" of Buehrle and Garcia last year? At least there is some history to go by with Buerhle and Garcia and the White Sox offense. Sisco, Aardsma, MacDougal, Logan, Thornton, Jenks, Masset, even Gavin Floyd, how many good full seasons do they have in the major leagues COMBINED? KW looked at the radar and thought he had one of the best bullpens in baseball. BP was laughed at when they said Ozzie would go crazy at the number of balls this bullpen would throw.

QUOTE(SoxFan1 @ Jun 4, 2007 -> 05:35 PM) So what about when the bullpen was on fire in April? What were your thoughts then? If they ever bring back the search function you will always see, I always said worry about the pitching. I was as shocked as anyone about the ineptness of the offense, but I think weather had something to do with it to a certain extent. It also helped the White Sox pitchers.

QUOTE(SoxFan1 @ Jun 4, 2007 -> 05:24 PM) That's pretty much the point of a minor league deal. I don't see how you can blame him for the one's that failed. And Widger was one of those 2005 minor league guys who turned out OK. The majority of guys he does sign to minor league deals contribute, so you really can't hold that against him. It makes no sense not to give him credit for all the low-risk/high reward deals. If Craig Wilson comes up and just lights it up, will you hold it against him because it was a minor league deal? And I disagree with you as far as gambles go. Wells, Colon, Thome, and especially the McCarthy deals are all gambles that paid off. The Garcia deal turned out to be a really good one, so thats another point for KW. I'm with iamshak, he's put the talent on the field, on paper, this is one helluva team with one helluva lineup, they are just sucking it up right now. Is that his fault? No. Colon wasn't a gamble, he didn't give anyone decent up. The Wells trade was basically for Sirotka, anyone would have done it. Thome maybe to a certain extent, but he needed Thome to keep Konerko, the verdict is still out on McCarthy. I won't hold anything against him if Wilson lights it up. I have no problems with minor league deals, but if you're trying to become #1 in a town you've been the redheaded stepchild in for so long, if you're going to have far and away the highest payroll in the division, you need to make bolder moves than Augustin Montero. Sign Montero, but sign a real pitcher too. It really shouldn't be surprising the Sox bullpen is horrible. Having a $109 payroll and having the bullpen stocked with ex-Royals and ex-Cubs whose former teams did cartwheels when they got rid of him is akin to giving a 16 year old who just got his license a shiney new Bentley. Even with the bad offense, if the bullpen was as good as KW projected, the White Sox would be right in the thick of it right now. But his projected performances are way off. That's part of his job.

QUOTE(SoxFan1 @ Jun 4, 2007 -> 05:07 PM) The positives of KW moves far far far far far far far outweigh any bad move he made. Most GM's make 3 bad moves for every 1 good one. KW is the polar opposite. Matt Thornton for Joe Borchard Bartolo Colon for Rocky Biddle, Orlando Hernandez, and Jeff Liefer Orlando Hernandez signed cheap Signing AJ Pierzynski Re-Signing Paul Konerko Jim Thome for Aaron Rowand, Gio Gonzalez, and Daniel Haigwood John Danks, Nick Masset, and Jacob Rasner for Brandon McCarthy Tadahito Iguchi signed for cheap Juan Uribe and Pablo Ozuna off the scrapheap Cliff Politte signed for cheap Dustin Hermanson signed for cheap Bobby Jenks off waivers Shingo Takatsu signed cheap Jermaine Dye replacing Ordonez Carl Everett for Gary Majewski and Jon Rauch Esteban Loaiza off the scrapheap Freddy Garcia for Miguel Olivo, Jeremy Reed, and Mike Morse David Wells for for Kevin Beirne, Brian Simmons, Mike Sirotka, and Mike Williams All these guys contributed something positive for the Sox, most of which helped us win a World Series, and if not, the Sox ended up winning the trade anyway. They were good moves, but it shows you that wheeler dealer Williams is more of a myth than the truth. He rarely takes gambles. The Garcia move was bold, but he had Ozzie around so he knew Freddy would sign, other than that all the above moves would have been made by 99% of this board if they were presented with them and had the authority to execute them. Signing guys cheap is only going to get you a good move if it works out at all, or a doesn't matter if it blows up in his face. Nobody mentions the minor league free agents he signed in the 2005 offseason to compete for a job. They all sucked, but it doesn't get marked a bad move because he risked nothing. The bullpen then sucked so it was a horrible move not to get someone who could get outs. Bottom line is KW is responsible for the roster. If the roster is lacking in talent or isn't playing up to par then its on him. He basked in the glory of the WS title, now he should be ready to take heat for what looks like total failure. QUOTE(WCSox @ Jun 4, 2007 -> 05:15 PM) Weren't they looking to dump Durham's salary at that point? Kenny paid Oakland all of Durham's remaining salary at that point minus the pro-rated minimum. Much like Gavin Floyd, he disagreed with everyone else and thought Adkins was a stud.

QUOTE(WCSox @ Jun 4, 2007 -> 04:53 PM) Which ones would those be? The Todd Ritchie trade? OK. What else? The David Wells trade? The Sox came out ahead on that one, as I don't think that Sirotka threw another major-league inning after 2000. Oh, and I forgot to mention KW signing AJ and acquiring Thorton off of the scrap head last year and getting halfway decent results out of him. Why don't you go ahead and list all off the "crappy" trades that KW has made. EDIT: Forgout about the Foulke/Koch deal. That would be two. Still waiting to see more... Durham + $ for Jon Adkins was not good. He's made some good trades, and has won a title, but he should have won more. He has more resources to work with than anyone one in his division. You can't blame someone else for the debacle that is the White Sox minor league contribution. He was the minor league director before he became GM.

QUOTE(RockRaines @ Jun 4, 2007 -> 04:05 PM) Meh, he hasnt exactly sucked. .279 .392 .889 10 bombs. He has also been raking in May. Personally, I think Fields is going to be a strikeout machine, but I think the Sox should see what they have with him pretty soon if they aren't going to trade him. You might as well do it now. Its not like they'll be losing much, Crede has been awful.

QUOTE(fathom @ Jun 4, 2007 -> 11:51 AM) Now I'm actually kinda worried that this trade might happen. Sounds like the organization is pissed that Dye said baseball is a business, and if he gets traded, he'll go play hard somewhere else. Only in this organization can someone say the politically correct thing....and get in hot water for it. The very same organization that said he owed it to his family to test the market. If KW is willing to do this deal, make the Sox even weaker against LHP and pay Abreu $16 million next season, he would be a dope. I'm not a KW guy, but I cannot see him doing anything this ridiculous.

QUOTE(Greg The Bull Luzinski @ Jun 4, 2007 -> 03:09 PM) Actually if Jose Mesa gets one more out, Thome would have a ring already. The Tigers just released him.

QUOTE(kyyle23 @ Jun 4, 2007 -> 02:33 PM) 1983? yes

QUOTE(WHITESOXRANDY @ Jun 4, 2007 -> 02:22 PM) What would lead anyone to believe that adding one player to this team is going to turn this season around ? We probably need to add 2 more excellent relievers and atleast 2 more solid bats. Should the Sox bother or just rebuild toward next year ? Adding the right player could spark the offense. Remember what Julio Cruz did for the 2003 team. I'm afraid its going to take a lot to fix the bullpen fully, but if the starters can continue to take the games into the 7th and 8th and Jenks has the 9th, they still have Thornton, the Sox need a couple of guys to be average, and it should be at least competent. Cleveland's bullpen blows and Detroit is banged up a little. Maybe they'll fade a little bit.

Can't complain. The Sox would not have won the WS if Maggs was still on the team in 2005, and probably not with CLee either. They were able to sign some guys with the money trading him freed up. They can hit. Too bad the Sox can't produce any more of them.

QUOTE(briguy27 @ Jun 4, 2007 -> 12:18 PM) can somebody give me prinz and bukovich stats? and does anybody know what pitches they have and how hard they throw? and are they both righties? These pitchers are basically crap. They should do better than Aaardsma and MaaacDougal have done, but worse than what you would have thought would have been average for them.

QUOTE(RockRaines @ Jun 4, 2007 -> 11:55 AM) From watching him start. I think he will do well in the bigs as a starter. He started 1 game and it was about 45 degrees with the wind blowing in 25 mph. The way the Urinal is set up, that was about as cold of wind as I have felt in a park. He did look good though. I just don't know how you can come to the conclusion he'll be a good starter from that. I don't know how you can say a guy is going to be good pitching 6 innings, but will really suck when you ask him to pitch 1 or 2 especially when Masset now has a history of relieving with the Rangers and the Mexican league or wherever he was dominating this winter. I wonder if the winter work is the reason his velocity is down or if it is just the curse of the lost velocity God that seems to infect almost every pitcher when he puts on a White Sox uniform.

QUOTE(elrockinMT @ Jun 4, 2007 -> 11:13 AM) With the Rocket not pitching it will give the ESPN announcers more opportunity to talk about how bad both the Sox and Yankees have been this year. Maybe their great insight will tell us something... I wonder if Rick Sutcliffe will be doing the game. He usually starts his next sentence when he's speaking about halfway through the last word of the previous sentence.

I have no idea why you would want to pay a guy $16 million next year who current is hitting .240 with 2 homers. If they did a Dye/Abreu trade KW would need to be committed.