Dick Allen

Maybe KW was wrong to say those things about Frank, but it accomplished what he hoped it would, it shut him up.

QUOTE(watchtower41 @ Feb 27, 2006 -> 05:03 PM) see WS dvd. "All of my friends always said that I'd have to get outta here if I ever wanted to win a ring, and I am glad that I decided to stay here to win a championship." I lost all respect for him as a player the second I heard that.... on the WS dvd no less. Good riddance should be classified as an understatement coming from KW. Now he said he should have asked to be traded after he took an ofer in the 2000 playoffs. I guess that means the WS ring means nothing to him.

QUOTE(jackie hayes @ Feb 27, 2006 -> 04:23 PM) The White Sox signed the contract, too. Why is it the team should be able to hold salary against players, but not the other way around? I think all this salary business is meaningless. And yeah, I know what Frank said about it, and I think he's wrong too. When did the White Sox hold salary against any player let alone Frank. I have never heard JR or KW or Schueler when that idiot was here say they were paying someone too much. They have cried they want to much and been stubborn in negotiation, but once the contract is signed, the deal was done. The clause in Thomas' contract was not exercised, Frank got a new contract which gave him a lot more money up front. The White Sox did him a huge favor something they didn't have to do and something that wasn't that sound of business decision, especially considering the clause was triggered by a lack of production.

QUOTE(White Sox Josh @ Feb 27, 2006 -> 04:20 PM) He said he was misquoted and I believe him. I just finished junior theme and our teacher taught us how to change a quotes meaning without actually taking adding words to it. For example i found an article pretty much trashing Quentin Tarantino (guy who i picked to my junior theme about). The quote was this: "People think Tarantino is the Orson Wells of his generation but he is not. He is no different than any other director." Here what I used in my paper: "Tarantino is the Orson Wells of his generation." It is perfectly legal what I did. I am not adding words to it. That is probably what happened with Frank. Phil Arvia, the last guy who Frank said misquoted or twisted his comments, has the entire interview on tape. He says he did not misquote him. Considering its been 3 or 4 stories with the same theme, if Frank is constantly getting misquoted, why would he continue to grant interviews?

Whats weird is Frank has had a lot of White Sox fan detractors over the years, but he seems to be like a little brother to some. Its alright if you call him an asshole, but if someone else does you have a problem with it.

QUOTE(whitesoxin' @ Feb 27, 2006 -> 04:08 PM) In 1995-1997 he was one of the top 10 players in the game. 1998 he was one of the top 20, and 1999 before the season started he would have been projected to be in the top 30. Like I said, he deserved the contract that he got. Especially in 1995, coming off of a monster season in the shortened 1994 season. 1998 he hit .265. 1999 he missed most of the last month with an injury and only hit 19 homers. He got paid more than he was worth. He was the one who popped off about his 2000 season when he was worth the money, but then again, maybe not, considering the "greatest hitter in franchise history" failed to get even 1 hit in the playoffs. He was paid nearly $10 million for 68 ABs in 2001. Another $10 million to hit .252 in 2002 and then cried about the diminished skills clause in a contract HE SIGNED. 2003 he was worth what he was paid, but $17.5 million has gone into his pockets the last 2 years for 345 ABs. The subpar offensive years are made even worse by the fact they guy can't play the field.

QUOTE(IlliniKrush @ Feb 27, 2006 -> 04:07 PM) It makes no difference what he did on the field (which hasn't been anything for a while). You should be evaluating this without statistics to remove bias. Frank has averaged less than 60 RBI a year the last 5 seasons. I think the $42.5 million paid to him during that time could have been spent a lot better.

QUOTE(whitesoxin' @ Feb 27, 2006 -> 04:03 PM) Let me start out by saying if you voted for "Boo" then you really must not be a Sox fan. *Now insert a smartass comment about me not being a true Sox fan because I got a case of the Thomas Syndrome one day* Frank gave so much to this organization, and it is in no way acceptable to boo him when he comes home. -------- Now let's imagine if you were in Frank Thomas's shoes. You are drafted by the White Sox, and you work almost twenty years to accomplish your ultimate goal of winning the World Series. The destined year finally comes and you get hurt. You aren't able to play in the second half of the season or playoffs. The organization that you have been the face of for years are World Champions, meanwhile you are on the outside looking in and two months later you are kicked out for good. How would you feel? I understand that it is a business and I'm not saying the White Sox were not justified, but it just sucks for Frank that this had to happen. I would be extremely pissed off and ALL of you would feel exactly the same way. Let the man vent. -------- Anybody who makes the argument that Frank has been paid too much money from 2000 through this year, just stop talking. He did not have a monster contract in the 90's when he was in his prime. (Sorry Frank, you're not in your prime right now) The contract he signed was a token of appreciation and what he deserved. You should do some research my friend. In each year from 1995-1997 Frank was in the top 10 paid players. I believe he dropped to the top 20 in 1998 and top 30 in 1999.

QUOTE(Jordan4life_2006 @ Feb 27, 2006 -> 03:56 PM) What about saying "my players" and "my staff" don't miss him and are glad to see him go? He speaks for everyone now? You think that was off the cuff, you don't think he had discussed the situation with Ozzie and JR before he popped off? I think the response was mostly KW with a little Ozzie and JR thrown in. The fact that Ozzie said nothing speaks volumes. I know he said he doesn't start anything, but he does start things and Frank did mention Ozzie's exit from the White Sox as a player.

QUOTE(Steff @ Feb 27, 2006 -> 03:43 PM) " He loaned him money, at times, when he needed money," Williams said. What a jag. That was the one thing that he definitely should not have shared with the world.

QUOTE(Steff @ Feb 27, 2006 -> 03:44 PM) Given the relationship between him and Jerry.. IMO.. Jerry should have called. A message from Kenny saying "Yo Dog.. thanks for the memories.. see yaaa" was s***ty. JR did call, Frank didn't answer, JR left a message. Does Frank answer his phone? I know a few people, my wife especially, who never answer their phone. If you have something that needs to be said you have to leave a message. What are they supposed to do, tell Konerko they can't announce his signing for a few weeks until they may be able to talk to Frank? For all we know they may have tried to contact him more than once.

QUOTE(Jordan4life_2006 @ Feb 27, 2006 -> 03:35 PM) Link? Or are you being sarcastic? He popped that off in one of his earlier interviews.

QUOTE(Steff @ Feb 27, 2006 -> 03:32 PM) Naaa.. Jerry will have him in his box for the playoffs in October. But according to Frank earlier, the Sox basically have no chance for the playoffs. They got rid of 9 guys.

The A's come to town May 22. What are the chances Frank is even on the active roster at that point? I think the next time you see Frank at USCF is when his number is retired.

Get a Frank Thomas jersey, and take it to Soxfest next year and have KW sign it.

Arvia says the interview is on tape. So Frank's story that his quotes are being twisted is just as delusional as his claim he's in is prime, and his claim he has been disrespected. KW should have kept his mouth shut, especially with the quote about JR giving Frank a loan, that's not for public consumption, but when you hear the same thing over and over again, you have to eventually say something.

Since 2000, Frank was paid a total of $42.5 million from the White Sox. This is what the White Sox got for that money 1482 AB 244 RUNS 381 HITS 86 2B 1 3B 104 HR 282 RBI 278 BB 330 K .257 AVE .374 OBP .527 SLUG Considering he can't play the field, it is the White Sox who have been disrespected. Frank should give some of the money back.

Everybody and their brother knows Frank is eventually going to be whining about something. I actually thought Frank's departure would be a lot uglier than it has turned out, even with KW popping off. I guess winning the WS and Frank being questionable at best physically tempered the reaction a little bit.

QUOTE(Jordan4life_2006 @ Feb 26, 2006 -> 08:40 PM) I truly believe things would be different had they sat Frank down and told them what their plans were. Maybe, but how are you going to sit Frank down and tell him what your plans are. Things were happening quickly. Frank was called but doesn't answer his phone or return messages, which is his perrogitive. Remember a couple of years ago during the offseason when KW called him repeatedly but Frank wouldn't return his calls? I wouldn't play the game either anymore if I were KW. Believe me, if Frank signed a contract for $1 million with the Sox like he said he would (I really doubt it BTW) he would be b****ing about the "disrespect" a "special" player like he is was getting with such a pact. The guy needs to quit crying, he was paid the ultimate respect. He threw out the first ball to a standing ovation in the playoffs, they handed him the WS trophy at the parade making him to be such a huge part of the equation to winning it which he really wasn't , and they paid him $17.5 million for 340 at bats the last 2 years. KW most likely regrets saying anything, but maybe his comments will finally shut the Big Mouth up.

99.9% of problems between teams and players has to do with contracts. Frank is claiming his problem isn't with a contract, although he does mention money several times in the article, but with a lack of a phone call, calls that he admits to getting by conceding both KW and JR left messages. I agree that KW should have not gone off, I'm sure he regrets it right now, but I do find this soap opera adding a little intrique to spring training.

KW probably shouldn't have mentioned JR loaned Frank money. Other than that, fire away I say. It will be interesting to see what Frank's response is. I really think this will not be a distraction to the team.

QUOTE(Jordan4life_2006 @ Feb 26, 2006 -> 04:55 PM) Outside of Durham and Jose, the whole team sucked. But he was the greatest player in team history. Nobody does anything on the baseball field that he doesn't do. Just listen to the mope. If he ever plays at USCF again, I'm not going to cheer or boo, but I will throw him a tissue.

QUOTE(fathom @ Feb 26, 2006 -> 02:58 PM) I'm actually happy Frank didn't play during the playoffs, or else I'm sure he'd be taking credit for that also. It is pretty funny Frank mentioned his 2000 season, but forgot how he came up empty in the playoffs. I guess he must be pretty frustrated considering he doesn't have a hit in the postseason since 1993. I love his b****ing about pay. He was paid $10 million in 2001 for 68 ABs. He was paid $6 million in 2004 for 240 ABs, and $8 million last year for 105 ABs plus a $3.5 million buyout. That's $27.5 million for a little more than 400 at bats. He just needs to shut the f*** up.

QUOTE(Flash Tizzle @ Feb 26, 2006 -> 02:29 PM) Another comment to fuel the controversy. :headshake This is Williams fault for failing to keep his views quiet. Say whatever you want to Guillen behind close doors, but not within range of journalists and photographers in a public venue. I wouldn't doubt he wanted that heard. He's been taking some shots from Frank. And what he said is true. Frank is acting like a total idiot. He contradicts himself several times in the Arvia article.

Why is it he remembers every season he played well as he was well underpaid, but doesn't seem to remember the checks he was cashing when he was sitting out hurt, or the couple years he didn't hit up to snuff? He still b****es about the diminished skills clause. He signed the contract. I was a fan and defender of Frank. I am glad he is gone.