Dick Allen

Aaron gets beaned, taking one for the team.

2-0 through 3

Tiffe gave up on that way too soon.

QUOTE(Kalapse @ Aug 24, 2005 -> 06:41 PM) As long as you didn't get too confrontational, I say you have a good chance of hearing it. Yeah, after I sent it I realized I probably shouldn't of mentioned sending out a search party for the White Sox offense. It probably has no chance.

QUOTE(Kalapse @ Aug 24, 2005 -> 06:39 PM) Is this something to get excited about? I have NO faith in Tampa to maintain a lead. Any positive is something to get excited about these days.

I emailed Hawk asking him to clarify his "where would he play" stance. You think there's any chance he will read it?

His stats may be wrong, but the thought is right on.

Joe Crede----just add water. The guy is an instant out.

QUOTE(Steff @ Aug 24, 2005 -> 11:09 AM) Which was sooooo not deserved. Someone help.. didn't Garland start a few times for the Cubs at the major level..? No he didn't.

QUOTE(YASNY @ Aug 24, 2005 -> 11:00 AM) Himes also had some earlier draft choices to work with. We haven't had a top ten selection in 15 years. I think he also selected guys like Ray Durham in later rounds.

QUOTE(southsideirish @ Aug 24, 2005 -> 10:54 AM) Under his direction, the White Sox were named 2000 Organization of the Year by Baseball America, USA Today and Howe SportsData. Which in retrospect was undeserved. The farm system was way overrated.

QUOTE(Tony82087 @ Aug 24, 2005 -> 10:53 AM) Adding to the KW talk, obvious it was on a smaller scale, but alot of us here are excited for Jerry Owens. Williams picked Escobar off the scrap heap, then traded him to the Nats for Owens. Last I heard Escobar needed reconstructive knee surgery, while Owens is tearing it up in AA. Hopefully he's a stud. There's no question minor league deals like this can help an organization. Larry Himes picked up Roberto Hernandez for someone who I think never saw AAA. He also drafted well, had 4 #1 picks on the roster of a team that won 94 games, and he was canned, using the point A to point B to point C crap. I know KW won't get canned if the Sox fall apart, and I know there was more to the story of Himes firing than the excuse that was given. But I'm saying, if, and that's still a huge if, this team falls apart, what has occurred the past 5 seasons that would give an indication that KW can take this team to point c?

QUOTE(southsideirish @ Aug 24, 2005 -> 10:16 AM) OK, but it took them a while to regroup and turn it back around, and besides CC Sabathia is anyone on that pitching staff home grown talent? Victor Martinez Jonny Peralta Travis Hafner Coco Crisp Grady Sizemore Casey Blake CC Sabathia That is all right? WHITE SOX home grown talent Mark Buehrle Jon Garland Neal Cotts Bobby Jenks Joe Crede Aaron Rowand It might have taken them a while to turn it around, but they won the division in 2001. Your list of home grown talent makes my point about the minor league production under KW even stronger. Buehrle and Crede had already played in the major leagues when KW took over, and KW's first year as GM, was Rowand's first in AAA. Cotts was a trade, Jenks a waiver pick up, and Garland, who I believe logged time with the Sox in 2000, was also a trade. This is year 5 for KW There is not 1 White Sox draft pick since he took over on the team except for Anderson who is just filler. The minor leagues need to produce. JR is not cheap with the money to develop players, in fact Torborg was gushing a couple weeks ago how much he dumps into player development.

QUOTE(Yossarian @ Aug 24, 2005 -> 09:46 AM) I don't want KW fired. Even if we don't win another game this year. He gave his all in the off season and he did it on the Major League version of a budget. Whether I'm liked or respected or not, I'm tired of hearing about that great and all good Cy Young winner Johann Santana. You want to win a World Series? You've got to beat the Johann Santana's of the baseball world. It's not just losing here. It's losing to the Twins year after year after year after year ...... The Twins and their fans have to be laughing at us. If we get swept in this series I give us less than a 50/50 chance of making the playoffs. Ah, the playoffs. Don't you think there will have to be a quantum leap of improvement over the last 40 games for the Sox to be taken seriously in the post season? I'm sorry about what happened to the Sox this August. I'm especially sorry because I've been around as a fan since Eisenhower was in the White House. Losing is one thing. Losing like this is quite another. All you can say about recent events is thank God for the Royals. Tonight Mark Buerhle has a chance to show that he really is a big game pitcher. To show that if you want to win a World Series you have to beat the Mark Buerhle's of the baseball world. Don't use the budget as an excuse for KW. He has the highest budget in the division, and if he could develop minor leaguers who could actually contribute, he would have more money to spend on impact players. Its his 5th year as GM. Who has he developed? Compared to other organizations, the farm system has been poor.

If the White Sox don't make the playoffs, I think KW should be fired. To me there is no in- between. He is the Executive of the Year if they make it, and should be looking for a job if they don't. So while I'm not calling for him to be fired like the first post of this thread figured someone might, I think he still has some work to do, and if he can't get it done, they need to find someone who will.

Jacque Jones is going to his uncle's funeral. He is gone for the rest of the series. Stewart may be out, and Hunter is out. It time to score some runs and leave the Twins in the dust.

QUOTE(ChiSoxFan @ Aug 23, 2005 -> 08:44 PM) This is fathom talking? Sweet Jesus, what has this board come to. Who else besides me found a silver lining to this loss? **peeks over wall** Garcia pitched in the house of horrors and matched a reigning Cy Young winner pitch for f***ing pitch. If not for web-gemlike plays from Stewart and Jones, the Sox may have had a run or two. And the Sox played *gasp* DEFENSE! In the dome no less! Obviously, this loss hurts like s***. But this was a playoff type game, and with healthy personnel back in a week or so, I still like the Sox odds. Now, fire away. I really have never found how something good could be taken out of a game you should have won but didn't. Or how you can take something positive out of not being able to score a run to pick up your teammate who only allowed 1 hit. Kind of like I never believe Buerhle beaning that guy in Baltimore was going to bring the team together even more, like a lot of people were posting that day.

The problem is even if the Sox make the playoffs, you have to face other playoff team's top pitchers. The White Sox offense has very little chance against good pitching. They have stopped running. They have stopped advancing runners. They don't situational hit, and if you don't have a couple .300 hitters, you aren't going to score much with that approach. It was fairly obvious in the second inning tonight that Garcia would have to pitch a shutout to win. I posted it then, and I'm no genius.

Obviously the 4 homer 6 run explosion against Johnson was a fluke. It was the only inning this team has scored in the last 34. If the offense isn't addressed soon, this will be the most dissappointing season in White Sox history. Tough luck for Garcia as he becomes the first White Sox pitcher ever to lose a one hitter.

Hawk said if you can't take something from this game and build on it then shame on you. Hopefully, KW will take the fact that he needs more offense. This offense is pathetic.

QUOTE(WinninUgly @ Aug 23, 2005 -> 08:17 PM) A CG One-Hitter AND you lose! First time in White Sox history.

Rowand would fan at the slow pitch pitching machines right now.

QUOTE(Flash Tizzle @ Aug 23, 2005 -> 08:14 PM) 7/12 games trimmed in three weeks. This may be about the time to begin worrying about a collapse. The collapse has already begun. These guys are scared at the plate.

QUOTE(CubsSuck1 @ Aug 23, 2005 -> 08:10 PM) KW... I'm glad this guy went out and got a couple hitters before the deadline, or else we'd be in trouble. Also this just in: best game hawk has seen in years. Don't want to mess with the chemistry

And this game is over on the Twins first hit of the game. Get some offense KW or this season will be lost.