Dick Allen

Way to shut them down Jon.

Aaron with a GIDP.

They give Pauly a gift hit. Chavez with 11 errors this season.

QUOTE(NUKE_CLEVELAND @ Jul 2, 2005 -> 07:39 PM) Watching Garland pitch is like a breath of fresh air after watching Contreras stink up the joint yesterday. After watching Contreras last night, watching a kid pitching in Pony League would be a breath of fresh air.

Garland is cruising.

QUOTE(WilliamTell @ Jul 2, 2005 -> 07:32 PM) I don't get to watch the Sox a lot, but has Pods been taking fewer pitches over the past few months? He's not walking as much. I think teams are realizing they are far better off making him swing the bat.

Garland's making them swing the bat. This game looks promising. Hopefully, the offense stays with their approach.

Aaron's due to catch fire pretty soon.

If Garland makes them hit the ball tonight, Oakland's not going to score many runs.

QUOTE(WilliamTell @ Jul 2, 2005 -> 07:15 PM) Yeah I guess last year's Frank is a lot closer than 90's Frank. 2 down. Good. That was for his career.

QUOTE(WilliamTell @ Jul 2, 2005 -> 07:12 PM) Probably, but I also remember him swinging on 3-0 too. I almost wish he would since it looks like he's only trying to hit a home run. Might as well serve up that pitch. They showed a stat last year on Frank with a 3-0 count, and his average was brutal. It was well under .200 for his career.

QUOTE(Balta1701 @ Jul 2, 2005 -> 05:01 PM) He's getting paid like $17 million this season. Honestly, if you were him, would you really care that much about next year? That's not really what I was getting at. The fact that he gets paid as much as he does makes his decline even more startling. He's Jason Giambi without the 3 or 4 years left on his contract. Maybe he turns it around in the second half, but if he continues at his current pace its possible he might be done. I'm sure some team would give him a contract for next year at a very reduced rate, maybe with some incentives, but he may think that he is above that and walk away.

QUOTE(wdson01 @ Jul 2, 2005 -> 03:52 PM) el duque has proven in his past stints with the yankees that he would do fine without any fellow cubans on the staff. Contreras, however, seems to need the comfort of having someone who he can talk with as seen by how well he pitched earlier in the year compared to how much dick he sucked in the majority of his career before that Contreras' numbers were pretty impressive in 2003. He also had a very dominating performance against the White Sox in Sept. 03. 2004 was a different story. But he did have some pretty awesome performances when he first came to the White Sox.

Corky Steriods got bench by Baltimore. Has hit only 1 homer the last 16 games and hasn't driven in a run the last 10. It appears this guys whole career was based on performance enhancers. I wonder what kind of money he'll be looking at next season.

QUOTE(Rowand44 @ Jul 2, 2005 -> 02:57 PM) Do May and Redding really count for anything?? Garbage for garbage.

QUOTE(Chisoxfn @ Jul 2, 2005 -> 12:31 PM) Don't get me started on Kevin Walker. He doesn't deserve to be in the majors. In fact, I dont' think he'd be on any other major league team if the Sox were to cut him. I'm absolutely appalled that Ozzie has went with the familiarity instead of going with the better players (Baj/Jenks). I realize he wants to have a 2nd lefty, but if that lefty is crap, than you should go with another righty, plus Cotts can be used on a more heavy basis and there are plenty of teams that can go through stretches with just one lefty reliever. Hell, for a few years the Angels didn't have any. This is so true. There is no reason Kevin Walker should be in the major leagues. Even Arnie Munoz is a more attractive option. Ozzie is way too in love with lefty/lefty matchups. Just get someone in there who can get someone out.

QUOTE(Milkman delivers @ Jul 2, 2005 -> 12:19 PM) [/b] That's the thing. The guy is like 35-40 years old and has been pitching since he was probably 14. He's not learning anything else. This is the pitcher that Jose Contreras is, but he's actually more of a thrower. He has no idea how to pitch and he's too pig-headed or scared to listen to the catcher. The thing that scares me is that I don't trust him or McCarthy now. I really feel like we need another starter. I think Contreras can change. He did change this year until the last 4 starts. Ozzie said in the paper today that they let him go back to doing things his way. Hopefully, it won't take too many more of these types of outings for him to see his way isn't going to work. He definitely seems afraid of guys making contact, hence the walks and the wild pitches.

QUOTE(JimH @ Jul 2, 2005 -> 11:19 AM) Yeah, all he had to do was get close to the strike zone on that 2nd batter, and he didn't. Further, had he done his job there, Ozzie could have let him pitch another inning to save the bullpen a bit. Instead, he used everyone but Hermanson and Politte. They don't have anyone else in the minors any better (lefthanded), so unless they bring someone in they are stuck with Walker until Marte comes back. I'd rather have a better RHP pitch to a LH batter than Walker. No offense to the guy, he's probably a very pleasant person but I don't see what he brings to the table as far as contributing to winning is concerned.

Contreras may be the most frustrating pitcher the White Sox have ever had. If the guy had Roger Clemens' demeanor he would be a Cy Young candidate every season. I think its too soon to pull the plug on this guy. Next time out he may pitch a 2 hitter, and make everyone look foolish at the plate. Eventually, one of these outings has to make a difference in his mind. Someday he is going to realize guys can hit the ball and still make an out. As awful as he was last night, and he was awful, if Walker gets the guy out instead of walking him, Contreras only gives up 2 runs.

QUOTE(MurcieOne @ Jul 2, 2005 -> 10:09 AM) ur talkin about 1 day.... in 1 day he decided he was ready to play? I dont buy it. He skipped out on playing the Whitesox cause he was worried about not being ontop of his game. Thats the bottom line. He was DHing until Thursday, the last day the White Sox were in town. He played the outfield then drove to Detroit and told Trammell he was fine, and he was placed in the line-up. He's coming off hernia surgery, back a lot sooner than most of this board said he would. According to most here, he will never be at the top of his game. Your theory is silly. He played 3 or 4 games in his rehab. If you start your rehab on Monday and are supposed to be ready to play MLB by Thursday, what took Frank so long? Why isn't Gload with the Sox?

QUOTE(EvilJester99 @ Jul 2, 2005 -> 09:39 AM) http://www.nctimes.com/articles/2005/07/02...27_227_1_05.txt Padres trade May/Redding to Yanks for Quantrill. I remember when SD got May from KC. The ESPN "experts" were going crazy saying what a solid pick up he was. He sucked in KC, he sucked in SD and he'll suck in NY.

QUOTE(MurcieOne @ Jul 2, 2005 -> 07:01 AM) If Maggs was ready to play 1 day after his former team left town... what kept him from playing in that finale on Thursday... wow what a pussbag. The guy started his rehab assignment on Monday. He didn't even play the OF until Thursday. He wasn't supposed to play until next week. I highly doubt he is so afraid to play the White Sox he delayed his return to face Randy Johnson.

QUOTE(CWSGuy406 @ Jul 1, 2005 -> 11:01 PM) I agree. Everyone talks about getting a stud SP, or that guy at the back of the bullpen -- what about an upgrade at 3B? I realize you're gonna lose a little defense if you trade for someone, but we gotta get more production out of the offense. It simply isn't that great -- adding a bat like Aubrey Huff would do a lot, IMO. But that's not for this thread, so I won't talk a whole lot about it. Huff's average isn't much better than Crede's and he's only hit 6 homers. I like him, but I heard a scout talking about him on the radio, and they said he isn't the hitter he was a couple of years ago. His bat has supposedly slowed considerably. He may be a right handed Ben Grieve.

QUOTE(fathom @ Jul 1, 2005 -> 10:59 PM) We had our chance to make Harden only go 5 innings tonight after the first inning, but our hitters seemed to get less patient as the game went on. The biggest problem with the bottom of our order is their inability to draw a walk. Exactly. Moneyball means 100 pitches and you're done. The patient approach worked great the first inning, and then it was forgotten.

A couple positives in this game, Vizcaino was effective again, and Shingo has been pretty good as well. If Marte comes back healthy, the bullpen should be as good as any in baseball.