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QUOTE(Texsox @ Feb 7, 2005 -> 09:21 AM) Besides worked out for the Tigers and passed a physical? Are you disputing that Kenny ever said Maggs knee wasn't ok? And where did Maggs get the name of the surgeon? Oh yes, a Doctor who was being paid by the Sox. And a doctor who alledgedly is or at least was a White Sox shareholder.

I'm still trying to find where he is doing all his crying in this article. He just states he's happy in Detroit, and that KW didn't think he could play, there are very few quotes in this article. We will all see for ourselves who was right and who was wrong. For those writing off Magglio because he is going to a more pitcher friendly park, remember Robin Ventura who went from a hitter's paradise to a hitter's graveyard in Shea Stadium, and had his finest offensive season.

QUOTE(Al Lopez's Ghost @ Feb 6, 2005 -> 07:14 AM) OK, it's only Canseco, but according to ProSportsWeekly this morning, there's a NY Daily News article that will be explosive: "You've never seen Jose Canseco like this: Huddled in a bathroom stall at the Oakland Coliseum, jabbing a hypodermic needle into Mark McGwire's bare behind... In "Juiced: Wild Times, Rampant 'Roids, Smash Hits and How Baseball Got Big" Canseco claims he personally injected some of the biggest names in baseball - including Rafael Palmiero, Juan Gonzalez and Ivan Rodriquez, among others - with performance enhancing drugs." OMG, the lawyers are gonna get rich over the lawsuits, I would think. What would be the basis of the lawsuits if Canseco's account of the facts is true? I wonder if his time on the White Sox is going to bear any information. While I disagree with Canseco writing this book, I know I'm going to read it.

QUOTE(CWSGuy406 @ Feb 5, 2005 -> 05:16 PM) I'd say that there are some guys, but a select few... Magglio will never be a bargain at 15 million, even if he returns to his old self. He's had one *exceptional* season, that being 2002. He put up some really good numbers, but not numbers of a guy who's going to make 15 million a season. Never put up a .1000+ OPS, either. So wait -- he's going from a hitters park to a pitchers park, he'll be making 15 million till he's 35 -- he's never had a .1000+ OPS, yet he's a bargain at 15 million? Who are you kidding? Even if Magglio had no question marks going into next season, I still wouldn't give him 15 million. He doesn't deserve it. When he puts up Vlad numbers, year in, year out, then he deserves it. Until then... If Guerrero were a free agent this year, he would have got a lot more money then he did last. If the Detroit Tigers are willing to pay Magglio $15 million a year, he is worth $15 million. I think I read in Forbes that the Tigers franchise is worth more than the White Sox. The Detroit owner has to pay more to get players to come to Detroit. He is doing precisely what many on this board criticize Reinsdorf for not doing, and he is being called a jackass. Many thought the contract he gave Ivan Rodriquez was crazy. Its seems like a good deal so far. Maybe this one will to. I do know if Magglio is healthy, Detroit just picked up a player who is better than anyone currently on the White Sox roster. Considering all the problems the White Sox have had with Detroit the past few seasons, that presents some trouble for this upcoming season.

QUOTE(aboz56 @ Feb 5, 2005 -> 04:48 PM) My sentiments exactly, he wasn't even worth what the Sox offered him. Detroit just got fleeced, big time. Someone make a list of all the guys who've hit 30 homers playing at Comerica Park. There can't be many. I don't think there is any, but the Tigers haven't really had anyone who you would expect to hit 30 even if they were playing in USCF, maybe with the exception of Juan Gonzalez. I'm pretty sure his back was acting up during his only season in Detroit, and they have moved the fences in significantly since then. Magglio got $75 million, Nomar got $8 million. If you were a player, who would you want negotiating your contract?

QUOTE(Gene Honda Civic @ Feb 2, 2005 -> 04:51 PM) Alford should be run out of town with him... I haven't supported the Iowa BBall program for 6 years-- for 6 years the program has been continually underachieving and in a constant state of flux. As an Iowa alum and up until this incident, Alford backer, I agree with you 100%. Alford stuck his neck out for the wrong guy, and he got s*** on. Steve should have known better. If Pierce was a benchwarmer, he would never have been allowed to return to the team in the first place. Its time Alford hit the road. Bowlsby should get someone who can recruit players who can win and stay out of jail.

There was a mention in one article I read where a scout ran into Sosa this off season and said he barely recognized him, that he must have lost at least 35 lbs. How accurate this is is anyone's guess, the rumors about Uribe being huge weren't accurate, but if it is true, and Angelos being a stickler on physicals, Sosa may not pass.

QUOTE(Rowand44 @ Jan 29, 2005 -> 02:18 PM) Pujols, Dunn, Edmonds, Rolen, Tejada, Ortiz, Konerko, Lee, Alou, Cabrera, Blalock, Drew, Matsui, Abreu, Berkman, Huff. Now, not all of these guys put up .300, 30 and 100 but some did more in the power numbers and less in their ba. Those guys atleast have comparable type of numbers from last year. And guys that have done it 5 or so times like Maggs, what do they get paid? You need to erase a few of the players you mentioned. They make more than 11 million a year.

QUOTE(Rowand44 @ Jan 29, 2005 -> 01:16 PM) There are quite a few players last year who put up those type of numbers making under 11 mill per year. Your right, that maggs does have the consistancy thing going for him, like I said 11 mill seems like a fair price for a healthy maggs, I just don't see how it's a bargain. Name them.

QUOTE(Flash Tizzle @ Jan 28, 2005 -> 07:50 PM) Also important to note subtracting Sosa would push the Tribune into the bidding for Ordonez. :puke Not if the reports of Detroit's willingness to go 5 years are true.

QUOTE(Jabroni @ Jan 28, 2005 -> 04:46 PM) I thought he was talking about Luis Gonzalez. Luis is Gonzo, but the back injury is Juan.

QUOTE(JUGGERNAUT @ Jan 28, 2005 -> 04:00 PM) Even if they have seen medical reports Maggs hasn't swung a bat since June. It would be extremely foolish of the Tigs to sign hm to a 70/5 deal that was guaranteed. I am sure there are clauses based on ab's per year that drastically change the value of the contract. That would be the smart thing to do if you are trying to assume a risk other's are not in order to lock him up. Personally I wouldn't do it. Or I would like it to a successful ST for him. Boras has refused repeated work outs since Dec. He refused most medical report requests until just this month. It's safe to say Maggs has has little to no baseball activity for the past 8 months. Knee injuries are the hardest to come back from. They usually mean more down time for yrs to come. Thomas has been lucky in that respect. There's no guarantee Maggs will come back at play at an all-star level. I liken this situation to Gonzo. All the talent in the world, but when he got hurt he was never the same again. His back continued to bother him & kept him sidelined most of the time. I really don't think Magg's extra couple months vacation will harm his skills if he knee is sound. He may take a little longer to get the rust out, but he will have all of spring training to do that. Guys come back from knee injuries all the time now. Running backs in the NFL are playing after surgeries for torn ACLs. That didn't happen 10 years ago. Magglio's injury is unique. I've never heard of a professional athlete with it, that's why I'm so surprised many "experts" here seem to know that he'll be a shell of himself when he takes the field again. I believe the Gonzo you speak of is Juan Gonzalez, a great talent, but a big head case, and a bad back. Backs are the most mysterious injuries. If you have ever done something to your back you would definitely know. If I had to choose between a knee or back injury to come back from, I would choose the knee. Boras is a jackass, but if this Detroit stuff is true, you really have to hand it to him. It was just assumed he would sign a one year incentive laiden contract.

QUOTE(Jabroni @ Jan 28, 2005 -> 01:19 PM) And paying him all that money would further strap Detroit so they can't sign any decent starting pitchers. Remember, it's their rotation that sucks. Their lineup was fine last year. I agree, I think their rotation sucks, but there are many around baseball who think their rotation is decent right now and can be very good.

QUOTE(YASNY @ Jan 28, 2005 -> 12:41 PM) If he can run. He may lead the league in long singles. I doubt the Tigers would blow all that money if they weren't convinced he couldn't run. A lot of people on this board are convinced that Magglio won't be able to play anymore, but Detroit's offer, and I'm sure they have seen medical reports, if not examined him themselves, something which no one on this board can claim, would indicate otherwise. If he is healthy, he is a better player than anyone on the White Sox roster which would make his signing with Detroit, a division rival sting.

I think it obviously depends on his performance and the team's peformance this season, and who will be available next off season. Frank will probably be bought out for $3.5, but could come back at a lower salary. So, assuming the team does well and attendance is up, the Sox may have some money to play with next off season. Who will be available at the end of the season? I don't know if Konerko is a guy you really want to lock up for a long time. I, for one, am still very concerned about his hip.

QUOTE(Jeckle2000 @ Jan 27, 2005 -> 07:49 PM) IMO there are quite a few teams that I could see being interested in Willie. Not only as a second basemen but he could become a CF in the Lance Johnson, Kenny Lofton mold. There is too much talent there for some GM to not want to take a gamble on him. I think we can also add the Yankees as a team that could be interested in him. Lets face it he'll come cheap and he'd be one hell of an insurance policy incase Womack goes back to sucking. Worse case scenario he doesn't get any better and he ends up coming off the bench for them (and I doubt even Willie would be stupid enough to complain about that) Why would Harris provide an insurance policy in case Womack goes back to sucking? Willie doesn't have to go back there, he's there. Willie Harris and all the distractions in NYC-he's not professional enough to play for Torre. The Sox are a team with budget restraints. Harris makes close to minimum. There is nothing more the White Sox would want than Harris being an everyday player making contributions to winning. There are obviously other issues to Harris besides his most inconsistent play on the field. They aren't going to be able to get much for him, after all, all they had to give up to get him was Chris Singleton 3 or 4 years ago, and his potential had to be more highly regarded around the league then than it is now. They should just see if he can somehow increase his trade value during spring training. I have a feeling he will eventually be traded for a 26 year old AA player we will never hear of again.

QUOTE(AddisonStSox @ Jan 27, 2005 -> 01:46 PM) Can on of the Insider posters PLEASE c'n'p this story. As has been previously mentioned, It says the Sox might be trading Harris. I'd imagine this article has specifics. If found, please start a new thread. http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/index It just quotes the Southtown article. No further information.

QUOTE(Soxbadger @ Jan 27, 2005 -> 12:03 PM) Jimh, If the manager says Willie is not performing, and that same manager performed exactly the same way, you have to wonder if it is personal, as opposed to real criticism. ::shrugs:: I also specifically state in my post, I would be relying on hearsay, therefore instead of getting into a hearsay argument, I would rely on facts. SB What's not hearsay is the White Sox took the rest of their available funds and used it on a guy to take Harris' spot. They did not do this to placate Ozzie. They did it to be a better team. If the organization besides Ozzie was happy with him and thought he was a capable everyday player, this move would not have been made. Actions always speak louder than words. They spent money to replace him. Money Harris would have to have at least 2 real good years to get to, so obviously he is not very highly thought of by the organization as a whole. He's an ass, plain and simple. Sometimes its worth the trouble to have to deal with an ass, but with the production Harris provides, its obviously not.

The article basically confirms Dave Wills' contention that Willie thinks he's a star. He has accomplished nothing his major league career yet has the nerve to b**** about the team trying to improve itself and bring in a possible upgrade to his postion. He can talk all he wants, but he needs to get a clue and do his talking on the field. Willie hasn't earned the benefit of the doubt yet. Everytime the White Sox have counted on him, they have eventually had to bring in someone else. He says he didn't play last year, that's why he struggled. Give me a break.

If the White Sox thought Willie could play SS even for limited stretches, we would have seen him there by now.

They signed him during last season, probably just to play in the minors. I believe he has since been released.

QUOTE(JUGGERNAUT @ Jan 25, 2005 -> 07:10 PM) They have exceeded us in creativity. Delgado gets 4M/05, 13.5M/06, 14.5M/07, 16M/08. There is a complex 5th yr option. If he plays at an MVP caliber level all 4 yrs he can earn 16M/09. If he fails to do that but is a LCS MVP or WS MVP he can still earn the 16M/09. If he fails to do that as well he'll either earn 12M/09 or be bought out for 4M. I doubt very much he will achieve what he needs to earn 16M/09. If he does Cub fans should just shoot themselves because the Marlins will have won the WS twice in this decade. So this really looks more like a 60M/5 yr deal. That's pretty savy of Loria. Congrats! Yet another signing that leaves me scratching my head why not the White Sox? I know you all love Konerko but he is no Delgado. Nor is Maggs. We were willing to give this same $ to Maggs but not to Delgado? This is a contract we could have gotten done. Delgado runs much better than Koney. The Sox would have saved 4M in the first year. A new Koney contract is likely to cost an avg of 10-11M/yr. So your paying a litte more for a much great boost in production. Loria get's my vote for the best signing of the off-season. He signed a perenial MVP caliber player to a price comparable to lesser talented players like Drew. The White Sox had a trade worked out for Delgado last season and HE didn't want to come here. He refused to waive his no trade clause.

QUOTE(HSC's Biggest Fan @ Jan 25, 2005 -> 02:22 PM) My feelings are that he will sit this entire year. Any team taking the risk will want to be rewarded if he is healthy, not the Boras style. Wasn't he suppossed to work out at the winter meetings a month ago? We're still waiting for this workout. Any team would be foolish to offer anything more than $1M of $2 guaranteed. If I were a GM I would offer $3M for next year and two team options the following years at $8M each. Again, not the Boras style. If he can play at all, there is no way he sits the entire year. If he did he would be at best, in exactly the same position and predicament he is in now, if not worse. No team would pay big money and a long term contract to a guy who has sat out a year and a half. He will get more than you think. Boras' guys (with the exception of draft choices) always do.