Harry Chappas

QUOTE(Jenks Heat @ Jun 13, 2007 -> 02:00 PM) Rowand to hit...every ex-Sox player kills them. Sliders away please. Ah the Rowand talk'll never end now. He just teased us earlier. Yep it 's the bullpen's fault.

4 pitch walk to barajas Simply sad that is all i can say about this team right now. Sad

Abraham f***ing Nunez. Well they have given the Phils plenty of opportunity to embarass themselves and finally the Phils are taking advantage of it. The point made earlier of Ozzie making sure guys play the right way....that is funny as nobody on this team does except maybe Garland, Thome, Jenks and Buerhle.

This could be the most pathetic display of playing and managing I have witnessed. Lead off hit. No pinch hitter Four guys take 2,3,3, and 2 pitches. My lord this is nauseating. Oh and with the off day tomorrow everyone but Masset should pitch today. The stupidity of this team is incredible.

It is amazing how hitters can take a close pitch while the White Sox moron hitters feel the need to swing at anything close to pop out or hit the twelve hopper to second.

QUOTE(fathom @ Jun 13, 2007 -> 02:00 PM) What did Uribe do now? Took his time on a grounder and the runner ran and beat it out. Game tied on GO. I am really starting to not like Uribe and AJ. Another pitching change. Why isn't the pen used like this when the Sox were in contention?????

Rowand to hit...every ex-Sox player kills them. Sliders away please.

Turning into typical Sox finish. Pitcher at 82 pitches, made him throw 10 in that inning............ Anyone smell an identical score as last night's game? At least Uribe has that steller defense to back-up the .200 average. Shouldn't every team loaf down the line like the Sox do. I thought that was an unwritten rule.

Nice K on Howard. Bullpen time, this inning just keeps getting uglier. At this point in the season, he should have left him in just to try and get the win. If the Sox were a game out and playing the Indians on the last day of the season he would've stayed with him. Why the hell not. Farmer just said he pitched a pretty good game. WHIP of almost 2 and possibly 4 runs in 4.2 innings....

This inning is getting ugly really fast. Danks not looking good at all. 100 pitches in 4.1 innings. This should be his last batter. 15 pitches to Utley and Victorino.

Owens really does not need to leadoff anymore.

QUOTE(TheOcho @ Jun 13, 2007 -> 01:21 PM) I saw that... just the one play it looked like Cintron was diving from short.. I must be seeing things. If they play a big shift on Howard they may switch position and have Uribe cover more ground as the 2B. I always wondered why teams did not do this more when the overswitch type thing was in play. You probably were just watching the game via a reflection in a window or mirror. Danks has seen more pitches today than AJ has for the last two weeks combined.

SEASON STARTS NOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

QUOTE(Kalapse @ Jun 13, 2007 -> 11:55 AM) I'm telling you Billingsley and Betemit for Dye and _________ would be an absolutely ideal trade. A talented young starter to plug into the rotation next year at near league minimum salary and a power hitting 25 year old infielder to put at 2B (he homered again yesterday, up to 6 in ~100 AB) who is also a Pre-Arb player. A deal like that could set the Sox up for a good push next season. Betemit will replace Kent or Nomar next year so I doubt they move him. The best package might be one that includes Dye and McDougal or Dye and Iguchi. The problem is that there is no replacement for Iguchi next year. They would be best served trying to resign him and package Dye with someone(Floyd, Gonzalez, Contrearas. etc) to get legitimate prospects that can contribute immediately (ie come up now and play everyday). The Padres come to mind as Contrearas would look good in that ballpark.

QUOTE(southsider2k5 @ Jun 13, 2007 -> 11:49 AM) Terrero moving up in the line up... Anyone think he could make a reasonable shot at the #2 hitter with Iguchi leading off until the ambigiously injured duo makes a return? Iguchi should lead off period. The remainder of the year should be used to see if this guy has the ability to get on base without using home runs and see if he got concentrate on OBP. I am tired of the fast low OBP guy up there. The pipedream of Ichiro is gone with Seattle looking like a competitve team. No way they let him go. Next year there are no options right now. See what Iguchi could do.

Who cares about Patti LaBelle? This story is about a singer looking to get some PR plain and simple end of story. The bigger story is why was Marianne Rowand not with her husband? Jesus Christ this is just stupid. To difuse the situation Guillen is going to take a run at the Phillie Phanatic this afternoon.

You can replace the Cardinals with any other team and realize that this is a real good article written about the value of a White Sox player that may or may not be traded in the next 6 weeks.

QUOTE(vandy125 @ Jun 12, 2007 -> 11:31 AM) Yep, and since they keep on swinging at it, the ump starts calling it a strike later on in the game. So, they have to keep swinging at it. We need a patient approach at the very beginning of the game. Seems like it builds on itself. I have been saying this for over a year now. The White Sox do not work the count and swing at really good pitches instead of letting them go. They try to cover the entire strike and have no strike zone recognition on top of that. A pitcher never has to worry about falling behind in the count becasue the White Sox will swing at a good pitchers pitch on 2-0 or 3-1 and not make the pitcher come to them. Boston, New York and Oakland are great at this.

A team with needs that likes the draft like oh say.....Oakland would take an Iguchi or Dye and turn that player into the picks. This is a way to trade for draft picks with some risk involved. Neither Dye or Iguchi make a ton of money where arbitration would kill them should the player choose this. Here is why neither should accept arbitration......they would be a year older. Both need longer term deals which may cost them a year at a higher rate but in total they would get a larger package and thus they would turn down arbitration. A team could trade a couple of decent/good prospects that are blocked in exchange for the draft picks and the player. The Sox could also eat the contract and get better players, see the reverse of the Everett and Alomar deals.

QUOTE(fathom @ Jun 12, 2007 -> 01:33 PM) If KW was so worried about the bandwagon fans jumping off the ship if they struggled during 2007, then he should have received major league-ready players in the Garcia trade. It would make no sense to stop the semi-rebuilding process that started last offseason just because you're scared of losing some bandwagon fans. The real easy solution to keep these fans would be for Reinsdorf to open up the wallet and spend a ton of money to re-sign Buehrle, bring in Ichiro, etc., this offseason. Then, you can not only make the Dye trade for prospects, but you can have a team ready to compete for 2008 also. I think we just disagree but in my view, this 2007 team isn't good and isn't a playoff contender. The main question though is, is it implosion bad or retooling bad. If KW decides it is implosion bad than Contreras, Buerhle, Iguchi, AJ, Pods, Erstad, Crede and Dye should be moved by hte start of next season. If it is retooling bad Dye should be moved for an MLB ready average young OF or held for draft picks, Buerhle resigned and some decent cash spent on the outfield. My hope in all of this is that Buerhle is signed and some minor league pitchers are traded for positional players with good Sabermetrics realted to speed, OBP and defense. This would make the best business sense in my mind.

QUOTE(fathom @ Jun 12, 2007 -> 11:40 AM) Dan Bernstein is a fantastic analyzer of the White Sox. When they're good, he'll say they're good. When he sucks, he'll say why they suck. He also has a lot of inside information about the team if you pay attention close enough. Dan Bernstein is very good probably one of the most informed sports jounalists around covering any and all media. Terry Boers brings him down from time ot time. Boers was Mariotti though when he used to write for the Times and that is how I remember him and why I dislike him.

I think the pieces that need to be in place are there; Konerko, Thome, AJ and Uribe along with Iguchi should be able to hit and hold their own if the others in the line-up are not automatic outs like the entire outfield and third base are right now. Uribe ahs the defense necessary to stay. They need to replace these four positions with guys that can create some offense not heel swinging power hitters. Guys like Garland, Buerhle and Vazquez can carry a team. This rotation should be held together until Contrearas retires. They need to retool the line-up and Dye and Crede are the one's that should go. The rotation is solid as far as health is concerned and right now the pitching should be locked down for another three years no matter what the cost. If you are going to spend the six first rounds on only drafting pitchers, you need to move some of the minor league talent you have for younger position players that fit your need. You know the names. Losing Buerhle to FA and replacing him with Floyd or Gonzalez is a huge gamble and not one that I am enamored with. I am sorry but the 5 year window will be closed as the fickle White Sox bandwagon has the shrine to run back to. Baseball in this city is different than any other in sports. Yanks/Sox struggled to draw 30K on warm nights in June.

QUOTE(Vance Law @ Jun 12, 2007 -> 11:16 AM) We were 6 games out of the playoffs then, only 2 games different from right now. And JR was right, we weren't going to catch the Cleveland Maulers that year. Weren't they 3 1/2 games back?

They need to sign Buerhle or risk losing half of their fan base. I believe the season ticket base last year was 24,000. Next year it could be down to 12,000 if they sell everything off. I know a few things about baseball and here they are, pitching wins games, defense wins games, and hitting goes into slumps. We have 5 good starting pitchers right now that should stay here. These are the guys that this team should be built around. I have no faith in Egbert, De Los Santos, Gonzalez, Floyd, or any blue chip prospect coming up and succeeding. Nor do I want prospects from other teams which may or may not pan out. I do not want Buerhle traded for the likes of a Brian Anderson, Ryan Sweeney, or Josh Fields. Iguchi is one of the best hitting second baseman in baseball and will be afforable. His range is not that great but he is a solid hitter and he and Uribe are fine. Dye is old and should be moved. Problem is, nobody is going to risk a prospect worth anything for him unless he gets hotter than s*** real soon. The media will fry this franchise and rightly so if these pieces are sold off for nobody's. I am not sure what is going to happen to Crede as I assume he will not take a pay cut and that situation will get really ugly really quick. Since the end of last season KW traded two pitchers making a combined $10M and added nothing. I understand the other players got raises but that is not what is put in the media. Losing the three free agents and Crede opens about $27M. That is a preceived $37M decrease in two offseasons. The chances of Ichiro hitting the market are very slim especially with the M's making a playoff run. Andrew Jones will not be worth the money and Hunter will be overpaid as well. If KW does not want to overpay the payroll will be under $80M next season and in exchange for the fans coming out for two seasons they will get jobbed. I will not pay the money for a team that is slashing payroll. They increased ticket prices a good amount the last two years and have regressed. Think prices will come down next year....... In closing, they need to resign Buerhle.....and I can't believe I am saying this, Rowand, for simple PR. If not attendance will be back to blue seat pre renovation days.

Gonna be real ugly tonight. They should stand up there and take pitches until they strike out looking and hope to get the pitch count up and then fail against the bullpen. Greg Walker should take a leave of abscence or something.