Harry Chappas

I am by no means telling you what to do but I recently reviewed the stats of all KW traded players (ML and minors.) Kept me pretty busy but was also quite interesting.

The best thing about this thread is we are talking about our fourth best pitcher with great numbers. Let's roll.

Can anyone elaborate a little, I did not see this.

I bet the pirates had wished they hadn't traded Damaso Marte. I'll take Loiaza and Colon over Fogg and Wells.

Amen to that. I had the foresight to marry a cub fan, different televisions on different floors.

It is nto about promoting teams it si a highlite show. There was plenty of good stuff to show, (i.e. Delgado in extra innings, the Thomas Ordonez hits, etc.) instead there is the Hinske homer and the rain delay followed by the Wells homer. Nothing about how well Marte and Gordon pitched. This game was as big as the game at wrigley yesterday yet was hardly covered. If this was not the norm I would agree that the ending time would ahve been the reason.

I'll take big run support for all three (10/game,) then let Glover, Koch and Sanders work each day. Our problem is that we never run away.

As bad as he is we still need guys in the pen. The same thing was said of White earlier and he is working pretty well as of late. We need to add here not subtract.

Didn't say that Toronto won on top of it?????? I thought Stu screwed something up.

Everett did enough Monday and yesterday to make this trade easy to stomach. Giving up three guys from 'A' ball is not too much for a guy that just played in the major league all-star game. Three years from now we may be regretting this but if we were 6 games out right now I would be more frustrated. I remember winning over 90 games and not making the playoffs in the early 90's we have this thing there for us if we can get it all together.

My take is that Koch is not trying to dis anyone just that he feels at some point he will get into the groove and be lights out, not that he will take Gordon or Marte's job just that they have other specalities that can be used in other other situations. Gordon is a strike-out/ground ball pitcher that can be used when men are on abse in the 7th, 8th or even 9th inning. Marte is almost unhittable to lefties. If Koch is on, he is going to give up a runner or two so you want him to start the ninth (currently an inning,) and go from there. Gordon and marte can be effective for two innings at a time as well.

9-3 Phillies HA! Wood threw 103 pitches in 5 1/3, ouch.

When did the Royals get Gookie Dawkins? Was he released when the Reds picked up Jimenez?

I ahve kind of just scanned this post after teh first two pages. Flog me if I missed something. Why does SF want Colon and why do we want to give him up? I understand youth, economics and baseball. If our goal is to win it all, this trade does not lead to this. If it did, SF would not be making the trade. I think the trade would be one for one. Colon for one of these guy.

Remember when we were accused of stealing signs in the new park.......

I miss Jimenez, didn't he Botch a DP in Tor the last time we were up there?

What is amazing is he is only 33 years old, I thought he was much older. He couldn't get a contract at 31, geez what happened to him.

I agree that one trade was terrible but in the grand scheme of things I like our team better now than if we had Wells and Fogg. We would have no room for Loiaza and he is our best pitcher right now. This makes up for those two and I still think Wells is not an AL pitcher.

That is what my feeling on the deal is. Escobar is a spot starter and playoff set-up man then the closer next year. You posted Valentine's numbers yesterday and the WHIP leads me to believe he is not quite the closer he appeared to be. The J.D. Drew to Oakland makes sense but I think they (St. Louis) would want Lidle as well. Maybe I am overestimating the skills of Drew but Escobar is not that impressive.

I am just excited that win or loss I will watch them tonight and tomorrow. All bets are off if we play like s*** though regarding my attendance this weekend.

I think the team benefitted from that trade in the long run because we picked up Colon and Loiaza both guys we probably wouldn't have wanted because we would be relying on Fogg and Wells in their spots. Our rotation of Buerhle, Wells, Garland, Wright and Fogg is no where near what we currently have so in this regard I like the Ritchie trade.

It was in the Times and Trib and Mariotti talked about it in the early Times edition again today. The Late Sports Addition of the Times had an article from him on the cub acquisition both were actually good to bad they deleted one in exchange for Telander's stuff.

As long as he can judge wheather a ball will be in play or in the stands, I'll take him over most.

If he can learn to play the outfield he may be good but I go back to the cub running Grace out of town three years ago and Choi still not getting playing time there. They hype guys in this town like theya re all the next Ryne Sandberg, Juan Cruz was the best case of this. No maybe Kyle Farnsworth or Kevin Foster.

The PTBNL in this deal is from a list of four, kind of like what Texas got. Hendry would not speak as to names but I would think they are top flight (Cruz, Guzman, Kelton,etc.) They have time to choose and with Guzman being injured this may be what they are waiting for. There may also be a clause as to how Loften and Ramirez perform. Pit will not take Lee has he is going to arbitration. They will also not pay any salary. Hendry stated the cub are on the hook for the full amount of this deal. The Sox best bet would be to give Borchard and Rauch for these two and then try to deal Kendall and take on some of his salary. Remember Ordonez can be a Free agent after next season. The Sox biggest problem is they have a-lot to offer (Olivo, Crede, Reed, Borchard, ) tha others do not. The cub have a nice hype (not farm) system but do you think any team really wants David Kelton? See Hee Sop Choi, Bobby Hill, and Juan Cruz.