StrangeSox

Same as NSS.

Banning guns just leaves guns in the hands of criminals. Look at Britain and Australia. Violent crime has gone up since the bans. And the whole point of the 2nd amendment is that we can't trust the government.

QUOTE(Jenksismyb**** @ Apr 16, 2007 -> 05:07 PM) It's f*cking war man, of course it's not all sunshine and flowers. They never came out and said 'hey everyone, we're going to war and guess what, no one will die! Nope, not a single soul. That's right, we're waging a war and can promise that not one person will lose their life, great right?' Just because YOU might have thought that doesn't mean the rest of the country did. Plenty of experts did think that. They were ignored or fired. This war was presented as a stroll in the park to Americans. That mindset was just completely and totally wrong and they should have (and easily could have) realized that well before any invasion began.

QUOTE(Jenksismyb**** @ Apr 16, 2007 -> 04:47 PM) There were plenty of military planners who were calling the d-day plans a certain massacre. If that had happened it would be the same situation. And really, I dunno how delusional they were. I certainly didn't expect as much resistance once 90% of the Iraqi army was defeated or surrendered. I thought there would be backlash yes, but not to this scale. If anything they didn't think about the civil strife that would ensue. Did you really think that Iraqi's would be targeting Iraqi's once they were 'free?' The management and response to what actually happened on the ground was, for lack of a better term, sh*tty. That I agree with. Bush I and his administration wrote about why they weren't going in to Baghdad back in '91. They predicted that exactly what is happening now would happen. It would be a disaster. Just about every event in recent history, along with a knowledge of all of the regional conflicts and power struggles withing the country, pointed to a disaster and not sunshine and flowers. To expect that outcome was completely delusional. We knew the resistance wouldn't come from an organized army but from guerrilla fighters.

QUOTE(Kalapse @ Apr 16, 2007 -> 04:17 PM) I'd just like to thank Steve Stone for being a good voice of reason on the Brian Anderson situation. ?

QUOTE(bmags @ Apr 16, 2007 -> 04:17 PM) telling people to stay away from an area with a crazy shooter shouldn't be that hard. i have to say, U of I's got a one up in the dorms, you guys have so many places you need to swipe your key card and isn't it 24/7? At missouri its only after 11 pm, and after the first door you are in. Yeah, I think it is. I never lived in campus dorms and haven't been in a dorm in two years, though. That would solve the problem in the dorm, but not in the classrooms and lecture halls. Assuming he knew his target's schedule, he could have just waited and got them in class. Or wait until they're in the dining area, no cards needed there and plenty of targets.

QUOTE(RockRaines @ Apr 16, 2007 -> 04:14 PM) So now the report is that in the dorm there were two victims, both in the same room. This looks to be a pre-meditated attack on these two students IMO. Something along the lines of a tornado warning. Loud, obnoxious, and widespread. That's just going to get people inside the nearest building, though. Maybe even send them running into the building with the shooter. No information could be conveyed that way. I dunno, turning those emergency boxes into intercoms seems like the best idea so far.

QUOTE(bmags @ Apr 16, 2007 -> 04:11 PM) This is the best idea I've heard yet. The easiest thing to fix would be communication, to keep further students from entering the danger at the very least. Have a way to alert all RAs and security, and like you said with an intercom It would still be very, very difficult. It would be like trying to shut down a city of 30,000 people. I can't imagine how they'd even attempt to accomplish this here at U of I.

QUOTE(Yoda @ Apr 16, 2007 -> 02:52 PM) Incidents like these are insane. Is there an official toll on the number of deaths on this tradegy? Cause I see some are reporting 22 and others 32. I think its 32, including the shooter.

QUOTE(Middle Buffalo @ Apr 16, 2007 -> 02:34 PM) I'm gonna start carrying a ferret - just in case. Such a great idea. did anyone else think of this when they first read Kid's story?

QUOTE(Jenksismyb**** @ Apr 16, 2007 -> 02:04 PM) But there are people who stand up all the time and disagree and want to take another course. You're looking at the entire situation in hindsight which isn't really fair to anyone involved. Had D-day failed it would have gone down as the worst war planning in the history of the US military. Instead it's known as one of the greatest ever in the history of war. I have no problem with people who complain about the management of the war, that I can totally agree with. But the fact is the planning was adequate for what we thought we were going to face. Just because things didn't go as planned doesn't mean that it was poor planning or that the naysayer’s in the beginning were geniuses. There were plenty of people who said exactly what is happening now was going to happen before the war. Pretty explicitly. Its not hindsight if you say it before it happens. And the second part just goes back to the fact that the administration was just downright delusional about what would happen once we invaded. Plenty of people knew exactly what would happen and tried telling him. They were silenced or fired. What you're arguing seems to be that we can't criticize any plans since we don't know the exact outcome before they were executed, regardless of how many holes people see in them before hand.

QUOTE(witesoxfan @ Apr 16, 2007 -> 02:02 PM) I was kind of intoxicated, so that makes the language a little more understandable, seeing as how it's a heated topic and all. Beyond that, the only case he used to defend why Erstad should be starting over Anderson is the fact that he is. Therefore, if I were added to the roster, and Ozzie put me in CF, I'd be starting over Anderson, and that'd be all the tangible evidence one would need to have me starting over Anderson, right? No, that's completely and entirely wrong, because that's blind favoritism and nothing more. Anderson may be sitting because he is in Ozzie's doghouse for whatever reason, but when Ozzie comes out and says it's an open competition in ST and that the better man will win the job, and then the better man doesn't win the job, it speaks volumes for his character. I never heard an explanation as to why Anderson wasn't given the starting job that he earned, but I guess it really doesn't matter because "Darin's starting and that's all that matters." Don't you just love circular logic?

QUOTE(RockRaines @ Apr 16, 2007 -> 01:46 PM) Hey Fox News, what is the value of putting a little freshman on TV who claims she was at the "DZ fraternity" house all morning. Thanks for relaying what she saw on the news. The media is just looking horrible in this whole incident. Extremely unprofessional. Bad interviews. Bad questions*. Reporting spotty, second-hand details as facts. Just looking like a bunch of opportunistic whores, in general. * My favorite was the question they asked the grad student who shot the camera phone video: "What will you do with your life?" "Uhh...go on with it?" QUOTE(aboz56 @ Apr 16, 2007 -> 01:49 PM) MSNBC had an interview with a kid named Trey Perkins who was in a class where shots were fired. Perkins said that his professor and multiple students were shot, the gunman left the room, he and another student went to the door and held it shut. The gunman then tried to re-enter and tried to shoot through the door as Perkins and a classmate tried to hold it shut. After the gunman finally left, he went around and took off his sweatshirt and tried to help people who were bleeding profusely. Remarkable composure from a young man who had just gone through that. Similar story from a guy named O'Dell on MSNBC. Shot in the forearm, several others in the classroom shot worse, and they barricaded the door. Maybe it was the same room.

QUOTE(WhiteSoxFan1 @ Apr 16, 2007 -> 08:54 AM) It might be too early, but looking back, im just not quite sure exactly where it went wrong. It wasnt the greatest date ever I supose, but things felt like they went about as well as they could have considering the situation. We got along great, laughed a lot, both seemed to have more than enough to say in the sense that there wasnt really any awkward silences. I even got a text message after the date saying how much fun it was, and then bam, its cut off. I get a text saturday morning saying work sucks for her and I reply asking howcome, and I get nothing back. So I go out with some friends saturday night, and then hung out with my cousin most of yesterday. Then last night I tried just saying hey, via text and got nothing either. So I guess its time to "move along". Good experience though. Here's what went wrong: She's 18. She was "taking a break" from her boyfriend (stupidest concept I've ever heard of). She still has feelings for him and likes him, otherwise she'd just break it off. She enjoyed the time with you, but she still wants him. You got used. Go find someone who doesn't have so many strings attached and enjoy yourself.

QUOTE(RockRaines @ Apr 16, 2007 -> 01:40 PM) The shocking part of this story is the ridiculous accuracy of this gunman. The guy was able to pick off so many people at such a high rate. I don't know how hard it would be to hit several students in each classroom who are just sitting in their desks and not very mobile. QUOTE(RockRaines @ Apr 16, 2007 -> 01:40 PM) The shocking part of this story is the ridiculous accuracy of this gunman. The guy was able to pick off so many people at such a high rate. I don't know how hard it would be to hit several students in each classroom who are just sitting in their desks and not very mobile.

QUOTE(RockRaines @ Apr 16, 2007 -> 01:20 PM) If I could be both speculative and racist at the same time: The gunman was said to be asian, he shot up an engineering building...There is a decent chance he was a student in that dept. MSNBC just took it a step further and listed all of the cases of asians going on shooting sprees... Confirmed 31 dead

Two speculations have been a girlfriend or a dispute with a professor. I'm not going to pay much attention to any theories on that until much later.

Fox is still the only network reporting 32 dead. ABC has 29, CNN and MSNBC still have 22.

QUOTE(southsider2k5 @ Apr 16, 2007 -> 01:03 PM) Come on man, it is way too early for this kind of speculation. We literally have no idea exactly what happened. We know that someone was shot in the dorms. Two hours later, more were shot across campus in classrooms while classes were going on.

QUOTE(Controlled Chaos @ Apr 16, 2007 -> 12:49 PM) You and a lot others...the first shooting I guess was one person at a dorm and then all the others were in a classroom.... Why wouldn't the campus have been completely locked down and all classes canceled after the first one?

CNN and MSNBC are still reporting "at least" 22 dead. Let's hope they're right and Fox is wrong.

Speechless..

QUOTE(RockRaines @ Apr 16, 2007 -> 11:26 AM) How about hits? Is it harder for them to get hits? Well, you can get into "getting the #2 out builds confidence in the pitcher etc.", but I'm not going to make excuses for them. They aren't hitting well at all. Neither is Erstad. Stop making excuses for him.

QUOTE(max power @ Apr 16, 2007 -> 06:00 AM) Being two games out at the break wouldn't be the worst thing in the world. Being under .500 would be.

QUOTE(RockRaines @ Apr 16, 2007 -> 11:23 AM) The #2 hitter shouldnt be the huge RBI machine that our vaunted middle of the order is supposed to be. Otherwise I would have included the 7 and 8 hitter. No, but its harder for the 3, 4, 5 to get RBI's if the 2 is always getting outs.