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2 hours ago, Dick Allen said:
He didn't inherit it, he helped create it.
He isn't going anywhere. I know that. But he shoudn't be where he is. He seems like a decent enough guy. I think he's very bright, but I don't think MLB GM is his thing. And it's not all on him. KW needs to go as well.
You are ignoring quite a bit of context when you are judging Hahn’s performance prior to trading Chris Sale.
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17 minutes ago, beckham15 said:
Dude, we LITERALLY just witnessed this scenario play out 6 months ago with Lebron James, the most recognized basketball player in the NBA today. He went to LA not because he had a better chance to win but because it was best for his brand i.e. endorsements etc, and oh by the way Boras has already called Harper the Lebron of MLB. So once again, is your brand bigger on arguably one the most recognized sports franchises in the world, let alone MLB or with a team that is only second best in the same city?
Yeah, I agree with you here, and it is definitely something that Harper and his camp are looking at.
Just look at Mike Trout.
That being said, I don’t see Boras and Harper signing a contract that’s significantly under market because of the marketing opportunities off the field.
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1 hour ago, Tony said:
Or he’s 26 years old and only been in the league for 3 years, had a down power year along with the rest of his team (who fired their hitting coach that had the same issue in Boston) and plays a premier position in baseball.
This would be quite the inopportune time to move Willson Contreras.
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51 minutes ago, Dick Allen said:
I think it's ridiculous these dopes were given the chance to do the rebuild. They already have shown their incompetence. We will wait for next year's free agents, and get shutout and say well he really wanted to be a Yankee or a Cub or a Red Sox or a Dodger, nothing could have been done. Oh well, maybe Yolmer will dump some water on his head again. Why doesn't anyone have their heart set to be a White Sox? We know why, it's because they suck.
Gonna take a little time, Dick. You can oppose the decision to keep the FO in place all you want, but placing unreasonable expectations on them only makes you look like a fool.
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6 minutes ago, RockRaines said:
It’s possible. She works for them. But it seemed first hand.
Didn’t mean to kill the messenger.
I guess anything is possible.
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8 minutes ago, fathom said:
Less overall but higher AAV. If he opts-out in 3 or 4 years, he wins.
I think it would be less AAV too. The Sox aren’t married to a 10 year deal on Machado if he’d prefer less.
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4 minutes ago, SCCWS said:
FWIW---Longtime beat writer Nick Cafardo of the Boston Globe is usually a pretty good source on baseball. He does not list the White Sox as finalists for either Machado or Harper. Otherwise he has a lot of baseball stuff in today's Globe.
I feel very comfortable in saying that to not even mention the White Sox for either player means he doesn’t know shit.
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1 minute ago, fathom said:
That's why the Sox should be front loading the crap out of their offers, and that way if they do have to make tough choice in 5-6 years with extensions, the Machado or Harper deals aren't as restricting.
Yeah, I’m just not sure that’s wise. I think there needs to be a decent portion of money up front, but I think the FO would be sensitive of offering a contract that makes it too easy for the player to walk after 3 years.
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1 minute ago, CWSpalehoseCWS said:
Who knows though what 5 years down the road will be like. The luxury tax limit could be even high than it is now, hell it could be completely overhauled and different after the next CBA. There’s also a very good chance both Harper and Machado will use their opt outs. I’d be shocked if either of them make it through the entirety of their deals. They are both young enough that I think it would be pretty hard to imagine them falling off a cliff before age 30 and not get another payday.
As for the opt outs, it depends on how the contract is structured. If the Sox were to weight the money so that a significant portion of it comes during the opt-out years and immediately following them, I find it hard to believe that there are going to be much higher offers out there than the remaining $ on the contract. We’ll see though. A lot of variables there.
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1 minute ago, GreenSox said:
They throw away that money and more on nonproductive aging players ever year. In 2016, it approached $25 million. The production of many of the Sox $4-$10 million players can be found for a fraction of the price.
Time for something different.
I totally get it. But you still have to be responsible. There are going to be 5-6 guys we will likely be trying to extend down the road, some of which could be outperforming Machado or Harper by that time. You don’t want to be looking back and saying “if we had only not paid Machado $75 million more than market.”
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5 minutes ago, Dick Allen said:
So what? I would think if $9 million is nothing now, it will be nothing down the line. And chances are it will eventually be someone else's problem either through trade or shift in ownership down the line. Except for Pujols who is immovable most of the giant contract guys eventually find their way to other teams. Will the money really look bad 5 years from now?
I mean I can buy that to a point, but everyone has a line.
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1 minute ago, Dick Allen said:
If giving Alonso $9 million is no big deal, why would giving Manny an extra $9 million ten times for an additional $90 million if it meant the difference between signing him or not?
It's not my money. But I' d rather have Manny and a guy making minimum than Alonso and a mid tier free agent.
Well, Alonso has at most a 2 year deal. You’re comparing a similar expenditure for 9 years.
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8 minutes ago, fathom said:
It could make some sense as you have people back in the offices the next few days and the contract is finalized this week and the press conference to follow the next Monday.
I suspect some of these national guys may try to confirm this now. I guess you may be right about an official announcement, but I’d be surprised if none of the national guys try weigh in on this until Wednesday. One would think they could confirm Leyritz statement about the signature just being needed.
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7 minutes ago, fathom said:
Clark, Simonetti, Leyritz and Sox interest in DH, as well as the complete lack of any reporter being able to confirm it’s not true. Just a guess, but I predict the news breaks on Jan 2nd he has an agreement with Yankees for 8/275 and has a press conference on Jan 7th in NY.
If Leyritz is correct, I don’t think there is a chance this holds until Wednesday.
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7 minutes ago, Chicago White Sox said:
I mean, he kind already is. Most Orioles think he is full of shit based on his track record, mlbtraderumors won’t even run his “report”, and one the most respected journalists (who local ties no less) has blocked him. I guess I don’t see a lot of downside for him, but maybe that’s just me.
Agreed. You don’t become much of a joke if you don’t have very far to fall. People will mock him a bit if Machado signs elsewhere, but then they’ll forget until the next time he does this.
Even then, given how many scoops have come from reddit, twitter users with few followers, and other message boards, it’s hard to truly discount someone that claims to have information. A certain percentage of folks will always believe.
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18 minutes ago, Dick Allen said:
He would be known as a joke. This is a big one. It isn't the Orioles signing someone to a minor league contract.
There was a kid who was breaking a lot of info 2 or 3 years ago, and the main guys even gave him credit. Does anyone know if he is still doing his thing?
Cottillo?
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19 minutes ago, Balta1701 said:
B-R puts their arb totals at something close to $55 million and I think their numbers are reasonable. Gregorius, Betances, Gray, Romine, Hicks are all arb year 3, Paxton is arb 2, Severino, Kahnle, Bird, Lavarnaway are Arb 1.
A couple of their contracts have buy outs or inflate over time, those amounts are added into the guaranteed dollars while trying to calculate the luxury tax, that's another $5 million or so. So right there, we're over $180 million luxury tax number compared to the raw salary total.
We also had a discussion with the Dodgers luxury tax a couple days ago where there's an extra $15 million in teams luxury tax numbers to pay for pensions and retirement plans and health coverage, I'm less certain about this line item but someone (was it DA?) clearly showed a calculation for the Dodgers where that was mandatory and included. I'm less certain about how to deal with that, but it seems like a real thing.
I believe sportrac accommodates for those things. As for the arb money, it’s not unlikely they’d move some of those players should they sign Machado/Harper.
I don’t believe the tax would be an issue for them.
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35 minutes ago, Balta1701 said:
Once their arb numbers come in, counting the fact that a few guys have ballooning contracts that will still average out this year and the $15 million in fixed retirement and health care costs we were talking about with the Dodgers, their luxury tax total has to be close to $200 million right now.
https://www.spotrac.com/mlb/new-york-yankees/payroll/
how much in arb do they expect to add?
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1 minute ago, soxfan2014 said:
Yeah how do they not have money? Lol it's one thing if someone said "payroll space under luxury tax" but even then, a first year penalty for 20% for the overage isn't really that bad.
They aren’t anywhere close to the tax number.
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The Yankees clearly have the money.
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Just now, Dick Allen said:
I understand 3. But, they also have to realize they are in a different position than when they signed Belle. They don’t have a HOFer and an all star he can bat in between. The teams interest level is getting close to lows since JR owned the team. They have to pay for that.
There is a difference between having the strongest offers and being Tom Hicks and paying Arod $250m though.
I think they’d like to get as close to the former (and still sign the guy(s)) than the latter.
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1 minute ago, Dick Allen said:
Not at all. I really don’t get the Sox interest. I just pointed out one possibility. And it would appear Alonso would be the guy who left. But the Sox brought him in to lure Manny. Apparently, they need some new bait. That would be $. . If I were Mannys agent I would call that bluff in a heartbeat. It would be too easy. That is why I doubt it is a plant from the White Sox.
I tend to agree that most of this stuff is nonsensical, but these leaks fly left and right every year and they obviously are coming from somewhere. I don’t think they are created just for entertainment value.
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Just now, Dick Allen said:
From what I have read about JR, he isn’t one for prolonged negotiations. With Belle, he basically gave him what they asked. With Abreu, RH was surprised he went where he went. So if it was to the point as you suggested they neede to add years and money, the reports that they won’t be outbid seem erroneous.
A couple thoughts:
1) I don’t think they are taking the position that they won’t be outbid.
2) JR is aggressive, but he’s not an idiot. You are absolutely right in regards to him not being one to mess around. They have shown a willingness to move a bit on Machado, however.
3) The range of potential numbers when Belle signed is far smaller than the range of numbers Machado/Harper might ask for.
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1 minute ago, Dick Allen said:
But seriously, Jon Morosi reporting the Sox are in on EE , given their current position, and roster, would make Lozano blink?
That would be impossible to believe.
So it’s impossible to believe they would have interest in EE in any scenario? Because you seem to be arguing you believe the Sox might have interest in EE if Machado had moved on from them, but not that the White Sox might use that very same possibility (which you seem to think is plausible) as a negotiating lever?
That is illogical.
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You can never say never with no true salary cap, but I would be shocked if the Cubs would put together something that is in the ballpark of where the Sox offer is.
Can they do it? Sure. But would it be a net gain for them? I think Theo/Jed are smarter than that.
The Cubs will benefit almost zero in regards to television ratings or at the gate from adding Harper. The benefits to them are pretty much entirely related to his on-field performance. That makes it very unlikely that they would be able to make a series of transactions, given their current state, which would seem to improve their ability to compete for a championship in the near future.