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The issue is not about his intent. He met with board and discussed taking the company public. The issue is not what his intent was, but whether he truly believed he had a commitment for the funding. He says he believes he did.

Seriously, have you driven a Tesla? Pretty clearly not. They are among the safest vehicles in the world. The brand loyalty is off the charts. You should actually research the company before you form such strong opinions. https://www.fool.com/investing/2018/09/15/is-tesla-still-on-my-never-sell-list.aspx

As a stock holder, I know that stock is incredibly volatile. It’s not uncommon for the stock to move 3-5% on a daily basis. What Elon did was short-sighted and stupid, and I don’t doubt that he will ultimately get fined, but to claim that what happened that day to TSLA doesn’t happen on almost a weekly basis is simply being unaware of the volatility of that stock. Was there opportunity to be lose money because of what he said? Yes? There is an equal opportunity to lose money on the stock every time Goldman and David Einhorn come out with downgrades (simply because they short the stock) to slow the momentum of the stock. Again, should Elon not say shit like that? Yes. Conceded. But for TSLA stockholders, the movement really wasn’t unlike any other week.

A conviction rate of what? They offered him a wrist slap and he rejected it, so now they are suing him for fraud. Why did they offer him the easy plea deal if what he did was so egregious?

This is absolutely laughable.

This is beyond ridiculously offensive. Get a clue.

He is not going to relearn how to pitch or significantly change his current method. He’ll rehab at several different levels before he ultimately comes back to pitch for the White Sox.

Rabbit, just trade the damn thing in and be done with it. You don’t need the hassle. I think SS2K is right on about the Jetta, but there are a number of cars that are high mileage and very durable for a very reasonable price. Find one that is 1-2 years old, with less than 20k miles on it.

And you win the “I just wanted to say something different, even if it’s ridiculous” award.

Yeah, perhaps it is, but these kind of opportunities don’t come along often. It was an outstanding fit for many reasons, and I think it was worth making the move. It’s the same type of thing the White Sox may have to do in the next 12-18 months. It’s unlikely everything is going to line up perfectly with your window. But if a generational-type player comes along and fills a need, I think you need to jump at the chance.

I think it’s ridiculous to make these types of proclamations at this stage. While it’s possible the guy may never really put his approach together because of the hit tool, I think there is still a very real chance we see a huge step change type of jump from him. So many of these problems are occurring due to the counts he gets himself in. Some fairly minor changes, primarily an understanding that he needs to attack early, I think can turn him into an entirely different player. Right now, he’s taking far too many pitches, and the League understands that it can get ahead of him early. Most mlb hitters see their odds of being productive drastically reduce when behind in the count, particularly with two strikes. Yoan needs to change that by being aggressive early in the count. Once he inflicts enough damage early in counts, pitchers will stop throwing so many strikes early and he’ll have an opportunity to work counts more. That will then allow his zone recognition to become a true weapon again. Additionally, once he begins hitting, he will get the benefit of the doubt from the umpires more. However, until he can get himself into more hitters counts, he’s going to struggle. Almost all hitters do.

Agreed. The reactions should not be anonymous.

Is that on his checklist?

He looks just fine in the dugout

Critique them all you like. Expecting them to be fired because Alec Hansen or Dane Dunning were injured is a ridiculous standard from which to evaluate someone. This process takes time, and it is not somehow sped up because you believe the FO should have a short leash. The process takes as much time to play out as it would for someone who was on a long leash. And if you accept that, you realize that you cannot fire the FO without allowing the process to play out unless you favor arbitrarily firing them for no objective reasoning whatsover. And if you believe that, you may as well just fire them today, because you obviously have no confidence in any decisions they make moving forward. This entire premise is based on fundamentally flawed logic.

Assuming this level of hindsight in regards to judgments on FA signings and the like is ridiculous. We need to be evaluating our FO on the processes they utilize/employ, not strictly based on results. Cashman signed Tanaka. Should he be fired? Dombrowski signed Price. Should he be canned? There is NOT an exact science. There is only so much predictive information available, and there is a tremendous amount of luck involved. Stop focusing on individual results and focus on the process. It’s far more instructive.

The part about the Astros and Cubs fans couldn’t be further from the truth, Caulfield. Read the book Astroball, which is an account of the building of the Astros by the same author who wrote the infamous SI cover story. Astros fans LAUGHED and MOCKED that prediction. Go check Twitter, if you don’t believe me. Secondly, I do not need to bet my kid’s education fund to be confident in this FO and this rebuild. Would I bet a significant sum of money that sometime in the early 2020’s the White Sox will be a perennial competitor? Absolufuckinglutely.

It doesn’t matter. That decision was already made. You cannot allow them to preside over this process if you have no confidence in their ability to do so effectively. They have done absolutely nothing of any consequence since this direction was taken which would lead one to believe they should be fired. If you want to fire them for the mistakes made in 2015, so be it, but that shows a tremendous flaw in reasoning and decision making.

Someone please answer this question for me: What, within this FO’s control, has happened since December 2016, that would lead anyone to believe they should be fired? The point that something has occurred since then which is even remotely close to a fireable offense is entirely lost on me.

Well he signed Chris Sale in March of 2013, Jose Quintana in March of 2014, Traded for Adam Eaton in December of 2013. I’d say these moves alone keep him from some of the ridiculous statements you make above.

No, but for someone to be responding the way you are, one would think it was 2022. You’re incredulous that he still has a job. I could understand that in 2022 if we were still in this position. Whether you like this FO or not, you still must be objective in your evaluation of this process. You cannot allow frustration to place impossible expectations on them and still remain objective. We will continue to see some of the fruits of their labor, but we all know this is not close to a finished product, so we absolutely cannot evaluate them as if it should be.

I’m sorry, but making good trades “on paper” is the primary function of the FO. RH is not General Fortune Teller, or General Crystal Baller, or even Head of Player Development. He went out and got the players his scouts told him he should be getting, and now he has turned them over the the folks who are in charge of developing those players. I concede that ultimately, the responsibility is his to ensure all facets of the organization are working to create players that ultimately produce for the ml team, but you’re admitting his primary function was done well. As for these points about these guys not contributing yet...I fail to understand how you can hold it against th FO that these assets are still on their expected development track. The FO is being responsible in allowing them to get the repetitions necessary to succeed in the major leagues. This is precisely what they should be doing. Your conclusion of being on thin ice is your own, and one I don’t come anywhere close to agreeing with. Whether you think they should have been fired after 2016 or not, that does not somehow place them under some other framework from which to be evaluated once they were not fired. This organization went down a certain path when Chris Sale was traded, and it remains on a trajectory which is perfectly acceptable for that path. How that should result in thin ice or a sinister ticking clock is beyond my understanding. If this was not 2018, but instead, 2022, I could fully understand, but it simply isn’t.

So all the decisions they’ve made since December of 2016? No trust earned there?

I agree, there is a very real possibility we could wind up with neither Machado or Harper. I suspect they will be in on Kimbrel as well. I dunno about Arenado being resigned as Caulfield mentioned. To me, he’s an even bigger prize than Harper or Machado. But even if we do fail to get one of those elite guys, I don’t know that it matters. This is about resources, and the various markets will be plenty liquid to allow Hahn and Co. to take advantage of the amount of resources he will have. There are a number of different paths that can be taken, and I trust that we will use opportunity to our benefit to succeed irrespective of which they choose.

I think the competition will be fierce, and I don’t want them to spend just to say they spent, but I think they will definitely be swinging a big bank account this offseason.