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QUOTE (bmags @ Dec 13, 2017 -> 06:00 PM) Machado is not going to give a negotiating window and honestly he shouldn’t. That guy is near the finish line to being a multiple hundred millionaire. You think the Sox extension offer would be like 10/$50m or something? He’s going to be a multiple hundred millionaire regardless.

QUOTE (Kalapse @ Dec 13, 2017 -> 05:58 PM) To get the Orioles to pull that trigger right now? You're dipping into Giolito/Lopez/Hansen/Cease/Dunning. Not Clarkin and Jordan Stephens. And they're gonna want pitching, the Orioles have no f***ing idea how to develop a pitcher. I’m not concerned about moving a Cease or Dunning for a chance to sign a 25 year old generational player. Just going off of prospect attrition rates alone, that would not necessarily be a poor utilization of the asset. You guys want to paint these guys as robots; I couldn’t disagree more. Get him sold on the potential if this organization moving forward, offer him $350 million, and watch him walk away from that so he can maybe get $375? I’m not buying it. You land him, sudddenly you’ve got no problem attracting other FAs in the future, because he provides credibility. The risk is worth sacrificing fairly significant value imho.

QUOTE (Kalapse @ Dec 13, 2017 -> 05:48 PM) Agreed 100%, just doing a risk assessment working under the assumption something could actually get done this month given the sudden possible smoke. I'm 98% confident Hahn wouldn't pull some s*** like that, it's just that 2% that gnaws at you. Hah...to think this is Hahn.

QUOTE (Kalapse @ Dec 13, 2017 -> 05:37 PM) Except the risk in this scenario is significant with a very real chance of just pissing away assets. If the Orioles agree to trade Manny in December it's going to cost very significant assets, not lesser prospects that we see as expendable all for the opportunity to hope Manny does the Sox a solid and limits his future earnings 2 months away from free agency because he really likes "Sox culture". It's in no way a risk worth taking. Define “very significant assets.”?

QUOTE (wrathofhahn @ Dec 13, 2017 -> 05:41 PM) Agreed. Also his agent is Boras he almost always convinces his clients to take the highest offer. His agent is Dan Lozano.

QUOTE (fathom @ Dec 13, 2017 -> 05:13 PM) What would that be? Did read something about Hahn saying "dare to dream" I’m paraphrasing, because it’s behind a paywall, but he basically said it’s easier to sign a guy if he’s been around your culture and sometimes you need to take a risk.

QUOTE (Tony @ Dec 13, 2017 -> 05:10 PM) I hope they learned their lesson with Samardzija (I know they were trying to compete that year, but it always seemed like they were sure they were going to get an extension done). Look at Kenny’s quote after missing out on Ohtani and Hahn’s quotes with Fegan today.

QUOTE (Tony @ Dec 12, 2017 -> 07:58 PM) News: Los Angeles Angels star Shohei Ohtani has a damaged ulnar collateral ligament in his pitching elbow, according to a physical obtained by Yahoo Sports. Details: yhoo.it/2C9PDCe Yikes

QUOTE (Soxnfins @ Dec 12, 2017 -> 07:33 PM) Nothing to see here. Hahn is just seeing what Machado wants on the open market.... or is he? Rick Hahn is a madman and has unpredictably huge stones when it comes to these things. He knows the onjective. I think this is Kenny.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Dec 12, 2017 -> 07:21 PM) Roughly what the Yankees gave up for Stanton should be the market to give someone $300 million. Do you value the players the same way?

QUOTE (soxfan2014 @ Dec 12, 2017 -> 07:00 PM) I don't really know but it just seems like that could be beat. Say by the Cardinals for example who almost just took on majority of the Stanton deal. Fulmer and Cease just seems low as it seems both seem more destined to be relievers than starters long-term. Granting a negotiating window does not equate to some notion of surplus value or control, however. I understand it provides additional leverage for the Os but it doesn’t exactly equate to Machado + years and years of affordable control. Dunning and Cease are two valuable commodities that greatly exceed what the Yankees just gave up for Stanton.

QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Dec 12, 2017 -> 06:34 PM) What’s the most everyone would give up in a Machado trade assuming a 72 negotiating window? I’d probably be willing to do something like Rutherford & Spencer Adams if I had to. I’d do Cease and Dunning if I got the window.

QUOTE (Y2JImmy0 @ Dec 11, 2017 -> 07:37 AM) I watched every start of his that was available. He walked too many guys early in the year but figured it out and was lights out after the Futures Game. Michael Kopech should be the least of your worries. He has top 5 pitcher in the sport upside and looked completely unhittable towards the end of his stint in BIrmingham. Didn’t he work with someone at the Future’s Game that helped him? Al Leiter I want to say?

QUOTE (cjgalloway @ Dec 10, 2017 -> 11:15 AM) Yankees say no in a heartbeat and then laugh in Rick Hahn's face. I don’t think any GMs would laugh about an offer that included Carlos Rodon.

QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Dec 10, 2017 -> 06:37 AM) Ok, who says no: Sox trade Carlos Rodon for Clint Frazier & Justus Sheffield I wouldn’t do that.

QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Dec 9, 2017 -> 06:36 PM) I don’t think the Yankees accept that offer. They’re going to be looking for an arm that is close to major league ready. No one is going to give them an arm with better than back of the rotation potential for Frazier right now. Dunning and Fulmer? They’d jump at that imho.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Dec 9, 2017 -> 05:57 PM) They already have the best pen in baseball, why do they need Burdi, who has to prove himself first coming off injury. Dunning? Not enough. Same with Fulmer. It would have to be someone closer to Lopez/Giolito/Hansen territory. They can simply dangle Gardner and/or Frazier until they get the exact pitcher they want back in return. We don’t have anyone in that 60-75 range, Cease/Dunning/Hansen (just one) feels light, the others are still pretty close to untouchable from Hahn’s perspective. Odds are, though, they’d prefer to trade Frazier, since they tend to value vets so highly. When you bail on a prospect at the stage Frazier is at, you get terrible value. I will be surprised if they do better.

QUOTE (soxfan2014 @ Dec 9, 2017 -> 05:23 PM) In the sense that you wouldn't do a pitching prospect straight up for Frazier as those 1 for 1 type of deals don't seem to happen. I suspect they’d be happy to take any number of our assets off our hands for Frazier. If we offered a package of say, Dunning and Burdi, I’m pretty sure that deal gets done. There are any number of combinations that get it done, tbh. The White Sox would be one of the easier organizations to complete a deal with, IMO.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Dec 9, 2017 -> 03:41 PM) I would very much take Clint Frazier on our roster, but we don't have any assets the Yanks could use. The main assets we have that are tradeable and MLB-proven are Abreu and Garcia and they're trading Frazier because they have no room in the middle of their order or their corner OFs. They need starting pitching that is established and will contribute next year, and they will almost certainly find someone to give them that. I would if I had it, but all I have that is established is James Shields. You lost me with the bolded

QUOTE (oldsox @ Dec 8, 2017 -> 07:10 PM) So does that mean that Stanton would not have signed that contract without the No Trade clause, or does it mean that the GM was either stupid or overmatched? It means the GM didn’t give a s*** about potential future consequences, because his charge was to win now.

QUOTE (oldsox @ Dec 8, 2017 -> 05:36 PM) Gotta question the wisdom for GM's giving no trade clauses. Don't know if agents are inherently smarter than GM's, or do they just have bigger stones? It’s the fact that GM’s need to win now; their timeframe in the job is not often aligned with long-term consequences very well.

Good luck trying to negotiate with that FO/Ownership.

QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Dec 7, 2017 -> 10:31 AM) I'll keep saying this, but it has nothing to do with affording him and everything to do with not wanting to lock him up into his late 30s. If I can lock Jose up right now to a 4/$80M deal for his age 31 to 34 seasons I think that's makes a ton of sense for us for a variety of reasons that have been well documented. And even if a Burger or a Sheets is pushing for a spot by 2020 or 2021, Jose's contract should be perfectly moveable and might even have some surplus value left. On the flip side, if he reaches free agency at age 33 and is still productive, I have no doubt he'll get at least a four year deal. Now you're either committing big dollars to his age 33 to 36 seasons (and maybe more), relying on a young player that may or may not be ready, or be forced to to sign or trade for what is likely to be a lessor player. And this is happening right when you want to be ready to compete. I'd much rather have Abreu under control (without a crazy long term deal) and worry about having too many good players when that actually becomes an issue. Why would he want to sign onto that deal? His advisors would basically say “Jose, the risk you avoid by signing this is absolutely minimal. There is very little upside to you signing a 4 year extension at the juncture.” He’s basically saying he’s concerned he won’t be able to sign a two year deal when his contract with us runs out?

QUOTE (soxfan2014 @ Dec 6, 2017 -> 11:01 AM) Gonzalez? Only asking because I've seen both Gomez and Gonzalez referred to as CarGo. CarGo is Gonzalez

I’ve heard great things about the other candidat, but I think Boone is a young, bright, articulate candidate.