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QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jul 19, 2017 -> 06:28 AM) Yankees' fans royally pissed they used to have both Q and Kahnle...not to mention could have simply kept Robertson for a new contract extension two years ago. Btw, MLBtraderumors has a huge discussion thread from all baseball fans at that trade article...interesting stuff to hear perceptions from fans of other teams. Which is f***ing ridiculous. They also have Gleyber Torres from trading Chapman...and then went and signed Chapman. I guess anyone who ever played for the Yankees affiliates should just be sent back to NY once they become good.

QUOTE (steveno89 @ Jul 19, 2017 -> 06:24 AM) Irrelevant to most fans? Probably, but it makes business sense for the Sox to save roughly $20 million for a rebuilding club. I can guarantee you Hahn shopped Robertson and Kahnle on their own and was not thrilled with the offers. A rebuilding club should always be trading relievers due to their volatility as I have stated many times. We will not miss any of the players we just traded, especially by the time we are ready to compete. He said everyone was calling on Kahnle.

QUOTE (steveno89 @ Jul 19, 2017 -> 06:22 AM) I'm sure Hahn shopped hard and felt this was going to be the best overall return. We all have skewed views from the insane returns that Chapman and Miller received last season. Lets not kid ourselves and pretend we really care all that much about dealing Robertson or Kahnle. Kahnle broke out and helped us land a top 50 prospect in Rutherford, we should all be happy. Cashman is a smart GM, he's not going to let us completely fleece him. Come on, this is completely crazy talk. If that is the thinking, then who is Rutherford in the grand scheme of things?

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jul 19, 2017 -> 06:10 AM) Btw, what number is Jimenez at Winston Salem? Robert was 56 for Cuba and IG, but think he has a different DSL number. I want to buy a Mrytle Beach Pelicans Jimenez jersey to mess with Cubs' fans. Wish it had Cubs' logo/patch on sleeves. Looks like 26. He was 12 at MB.

QUOTE (GenericUserName @ Jul 19, 2017 -> 06:07 AM) Here is what I don't get right now: people were throwing around trade ideas of packaging Robertson & Kahnle and a third piece for Robles straight up and everyone said that was crazy and we would never do that. Instead we get a lesser prospect and two lotto tickets and suddenly everyone loves it? This whole deal basically revolves around Rutherford now. I feel like the only way we can win this trade is if Rutherford hits his cieling AND Kahnle regresses to an average ML pitcher or one of the lotto tickets becomes a good player or we are able to flip Clippard for something of value. Yeah, there is a lot of justification going on here, but that's ok. We all are going to be watching a lot of bad baseball for awhile now, no need to torture ourselves about missed opportunities from trades that were made. I'm just hoping they basically like Rutherford as much or nearly as much as Robles.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jul 19, 2017 -> 06:04 AM) But holding him through the end of his contract does what exactly? They will offer him salary arb while he agrees to go elsewhere for 4-5 year deal? Well, in Avi's case, much like in Kahnle's case, his past is his enemy. The longer he manages to do this, the more his value increases.

QUOTE (Sox-35th @ Jul 19, 2017 -> 05:59 AM) I never thought about it, but you're probably right. I would expect something today or tomorrow. There's no way they'd miss a chance to capitalize on all this buzz. Yeah, they have some of the lesser-priced ones up already.

QUOTE (Sox-35th @ Jul 19, 2017 -> 05:55 AM) I assume that's part of it. In fairness, he hasn't played a game. You can't even customize it. So when the Bears traded for Cutler, I immediately went online and had a jersey customized. Then they released ones they mass-produced like a day later. You could definitely tell the difference in the letters and the spacing of the letters. My guess is they want to filter all the Moncada orders through the mass produced line, rather than sending them through the custom line.

QUOTE (Username @ Jul 19, 2017 -> 05:47 AM) Sounds about right. Only teams I can think of with those needs: Rockies Cardinals Dodgers? Seems like a stretch Yeah, the Cards you might get Kelly and the Rockies maybe Pint? I dunno...I think we're getting a bit drunk on prospects. The thought of moving Avi for a guy that we are hoping can do what Avi is doing right now seems a bit counterproductive to me...

QUOTE (Sox-35th @ Jul 19, 2017 -> 05:44 AM) Would it be weird if I said I already visited the shop and saw that his number is currently not configurable? No...and I just saw the same thing. They must be planning to sell it already stitched on that way?

QUOTE (Soxnfins @ Jul 19, 2017 -> 05:35 AM) His clock started last year, technically. Pretty sure he won't be a Super 2, but I could be wrong. Needed to develop chemistry up here. It's time. He's past the Super 2 deadline.

QUOTE (Username @ Jul 19, 2017 -> 05:33 AM) There's no chance I move Avi if the return is anything like that Tigers deal. They just didn't get much value. Might as well hold onto Avi for that and hope there's more of a market later - or see if he can force his way into our long-term plans. This is essentially the same question as they just answered in re: Kahnle, right? If someone wanted say, Avi and Swarzak, I suspect we'd move him for a guy in the top 30 or so?

QUOTE (GermanSock @ Jul 19, 2017 -> 05:30 AM) Why start moncadas service time clock now? I think they want him to learn to play at this level now, so that he is fairly developed when the next wave of kids come up in a 18 months or so... "waves of talent"

So #10? Who is ordering a jersey today?

QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Jul 19, 2017 -> 04:59 AM) He's definitely getting moved, but it's going to be a for low level talent. Wouldn't mind adding another middle infielder for Kannapolis or Winston Salem. Maybe an arm from the Red Sox system would be nice.

QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Jul 19, 2017 -> 05:08 AM) If you can get value for him, then why not? Helps the tanking effort and creates room for one of Leury, Engel, Willy, & Delmonico to get everyday playing time. Again, got to get value though. I have a hard time believing there is a worthwhile market for him, given what we heard yesterday in re: position players after the JD Martinez trade, but obviously the situations are different.

QUOTE (2005thxfrthmmrs @ Jul 19, 2017 -> 02:31 AM) I don't like that mindset, that we need to trade every reliever as soon as they become good, but before they become great. Nate Jones has always been an injury prone. Same cannot be said about Kahnle. He's also have relatively low mileage on his arm, and his delivery doesn't put him at more risk than others. With that mindset, we may as well find new relievers as year. I think in this case, the potential return outweighs the risk. I'm also not sure if we're going to put the salary saving in use. We're not expected to compete next year, and the FA class is weak. And we can't overspend on international signing like we did with Robert either. Yeah, I tend to agree with your take here. It's very easy to start bundling anything left of value that we have to go after "that one last guy," but you probably are going to lose out on additional value had we been patient and taken a calculated risk. I find it difficult to accept the argument that a guy that is currently dominating at the ML level is likely to regress to nothing, but simultaneously throw a ton of stock into a kid from A-ball becoming a good mlb player. I argued that it might be worth it to do this for a guy like Robles, and so if the White Sox truly believe in Rutherford, then it is difficult for me to criticize the FO. But I agree with you and some others here - we likely overpaid to get "our guy," and I truly do think Kahnle has a chance to be a pretty dominant reliever for the Yankees as they make their run over the next several years.

QUOTE (fathom @ Jul 18, 2017 -> 09:44 PM) Clarkin is very underrated. I would put him in the Guerrero range and say he has a better chance to start than someone like Fulmer We all know you love Fulmer ?

QUOTE (steveno89 @ Jul 18, 2017 -> 09:42 PM) Ceiling for Rutherford is a more athletic David justice, which is a very good player I saw that earlier

QUOTE (bucket-of-suck @ Jul 18, 2017 -> 09:28 PM) I'm not sure some of you guys understand Rutherford's potential value and future impact. He's been coveted by a ton of teams in talks and was a very tough get. Front office is THRILLED to acquire him. So I will indulge you. What IS his potential?

Moncada to wear #10

QUOTE (Enscheff @ Jul 18, 2017 -> 09:16 PM) 27 year old Rule 5 pick who has thrown 36 amazing innings after 120 very mediocre innings... Come on man... This season, he has been elite. Fair?

Nightengale says "The truth of the matter is that the Redsox never showed serious interest in Todd Frazier, but it didn't hurt for other teams to believe it."

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jul 18, 2017 -> 09:15 PM) http://www.nyyfansforum.com/showthread.php...-Thread/page133 Cashman getting ripped to shreds here by Yankees' fans. They just moved a big piece for two guys they have had before.

Rick is a bright guy...very careful with his words...far better than most.