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I think that’s the argument. Does being durable make you an ace though? Kyle Gibson has been extremely durable but does that make him anything more than a solid #4?

Cease doesn’t even have the best ERA on his team. He’s not a frontline ace for a contender like Corbin Burnes or Chris Sale. He’s a low end #2 or good #3. Anyways, I’m happy with the return the Sox got for him.

And still higher than Drew Thorpe. Crazy.

Nice. Good for him. Thorpe still has a lower ERA though

In 2026 yes

I mean he’s going to pitch 150+ innings this season and 150 is the old 200. Full season workload as far as I’m concerned.

“Normal starter workload until end of regular season” so yea

So much for that innings limit I’ve been hearing about for the last 6 months

Suarez is quickly falling apart. Even Grayson has an ERA approaching 4. The Orioles rotation is already a mess but an injury to either Burnes or Grayson and it’s a complete train wreck.

Please

I know Snelling has had a rough year but he’s only 20. I think a deal centered around Snelling and De Vries could get it done.

Whoever trades for him isn’t shutting him down in July

LOL. Crochet is at 107.1 innings at the all star break. What are you even talking about? There’s still 2.5 months left in the season. He’s easily going to hit the 150 inning mark this season, barring injury.

4 losses in 2018 away from having Bobby Witt instead. Bad luck. Of course someone like Abrams or Greene would have been nice instead of Vaughn but neither are game changers like the consensus top two in 2019 Witt and Adley.

Yea, that was an absolutely embarrassing series by the Orioles. Their pitching is unraveling as expected. They’re going to be forced into trading some of those precious prospects for significant pitching help if they stand any chance of making a serious postseason run.

Seems reasonable

His walk rate is too high so far. I agree with that. But I also believe that will be corrected over time based upon his numbers in the minor leagues. Buehrle only struck out 5.13 per 9 IP but he only walked 2.01 so ultimately that’s where Drew needs to live.

So far, he’s striking out more per 9 innings than Buehrle did over his career. Why do you need to strike out a bunch of guys to have success?

Still disappointed by Thorpe as the Cease headliner even though he may outpitch Cease as a rookie this season?

I’m glad you double checked then. Personally, I’m hoping they both get moved later this month.

This is exactly what you wanted. You been in Getz’s ear lately or what?

Crochet at #1 and Fedde up to #7 in fWAR out of all AL pitchers. Looks like the trade value for both these guys is higher than I could have even imagined back in April when I started this thread. Also noteworthy that none of the top 10 AL pitchers outside of these two are trade candidates this July so the Sox hold the keys to the two top starting pitchers available on the trade market this month. What’s your move @Rolle Tide @Snowy Demon ?

Thorpe going to toss a Maddux? 56 pitches thru 5.

I stand by right handed Mark Buehrle as a comp. That would be pretty good.

34 pitches thru 3 innings for Thorpe. Efficient.