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Well, another couple years of top 5 draft picks and a farm system ranked in the top 3 for several consecutive years will just have to overcome the ineptitude of the front office I suppose. Much like the Royals did a few years back. After awhile you accumulate so many highly regarded prospects and high draft picks that it doesn’t matter the front office isn’t run by Luhnow. Now whether they can sustain more than a 3 year run like the Royals did is a different question altogether. But again I’d be thrilled if this rebuild results in back to back World Series appearances and a World Series title within the next 6 or 7 years. That would be a major win.

3rd highest payroll in 2019? Espn might want to double check those numbers... And the Astros have won 84 or more games in 4 straight seasons (5 after the 2019 season) including a World Series win and another ALCS appearance. What is your definition of sustained success? Unless Jerry is willing to consistently spend with the top 5 teams in baseball, the best they’re going to do is a 5/6 year run like the Astros.

If this is true, then it won’t matter if they sign Manny and/or Harper.

The Astros have had sustained success without gigantic payrolls. Just sayin.

Or on guys that don’t charge a 25% tariff on an already record breaking deal to play for the Sox because their boyhood dream was to play for NYY...

Really? Maybe I’m way off but I was thinking he’d get $25MM AAV max.

Xander Bogaerts would look great in a White Sox uniform in 2020. What type of salary is he expected to command next winter? I can’t imagine it would be anywhere near Machado and he’s the same age as Machado but they wouldn’t have to “waste” a year paying him in 2019.

It depends what type of budget JR is permitting. Assuming it’s $150MM or less, I think it’s insane to tie up more than 25% of your total payroll in one player. I just mentioned in the post above but I envision a trade or two for an established starting pitcher. Also, they need to address the catching position at some point soon. I don’t know what options are available but I don’t have confidence that any of the guys currently in the organization will be average to above average starters two years from now.

The Brewers were a playoff contender even before the Yelich trade and Cain signing. Of course those moves put them over the top but it’s not like the Sox have to trade for an MVP and sign a 6 WAR player for $16MM AAV as their only path to the playoffs. If these prospects (and future draftees) are as good as advertised. I’m more concerned about the future rotation than the everyday lineup. They need at least 2 of the young guys to consistently provide 180+ innings and #2/#3 type numbers. Without that, they aren’t going anywhere as we’ve seen how difficult it is to hit on FA pitcher signings. My suspicion is that they’re going to have to trade for one in a couple years. I’m also hoping Rodon has a strong first half so they can sell high on him in July. Probably their last opportunity to unload a veteran with less than 3 years of control (at the time of the trade) that actually brings back a nice return. I don’t see this team competing until 2021 (unless they sign both Manny and Bryce, not happening) so I see very little reason for holding on to him if he has strong trade value 6 months from now.

I’d be so pissed if the Sox signed him for $40M+ AAV over 8 years. That’s “stupid” money and would be a huge mistake for a franchise like the Sox imo.

6.9 years, correct? He’d be a free agent after the 2025 season. And who’s to say they don’t lock him up to an early affordable extension like Eaton, Sale, Q, Anderson?

If that’s the price for back to back World Series appearances including one win, I’d take it. We’re going on 14 years now since 2005 so I’m immune to long draughts and that was only one WS appearance.

No doubt. But that’s the predicament for mid market teams. No to very little margin for error when signing to mid to high end free agents. The reds basically couldn’t afford a single miss whereas the Dodgers or Yankees just brush off a BAILEY signing like its nothing.

There are so many holes on this roster right now that finding a fit for Harper is my last concern. The current OF situation is a far bigger mess than the infield situation. Yes, I understand that they have a dozen OF prospects in the minors but that can be used as trade currency to fill other holes like the starting rotation, which is also a mess.

Oh yea, I’m all for signing Harper. That’s how you change the perception. I am avoiding Manny like the plague though. That’s my opinion, not trying to convince anyone to agree with me. I’m also pointing that not all is lost if they miss out on these guys as Chisoxfn stated and in some ways may actually be a blessing in disguise for a mid market franchise like the Sox.

I’m not following you here? People are saying it would take $40-42MM AAV for 8-10 years for the Sox to sign Machado. How is that comparable to $9MM for one year of Alonso?

I’ve said it for over a year now. The Sox model is the Astros and Royals, not Cubs. I would welcome a Harper signing though just because it would put the Sox on the map. However I could also see his contract hamstringing the Sox for years to come.

That’s debatable with the Cubs playing across town. I do agree that Harper would be a great signing for the reason you mention. Manny doesn’t have that same type of impact, though, which is why I’m hoping the Sox pass on him.

Votto’s $225M extension hamstrung the Reds for a decade.

That’s what people are failing to recognize. A mega deal for a mid market team is a far greater risk than for a team like the Cubs, Yankees, Red Sox, Dodgers. Mid market teams that sign guys to mega deals rarely succeed even when said player is a stud (Belle - WS, Arod - Rangers, Cano - Mariners, Votto - Reds, Stanton - Marlins, etc)

Based on the 20% tariff thrown out on these threads, is he really worth $42MM AAV? Hard pass for me.

Clearly, split as to whether they want to spend the money on him or not. The Dan Clark stuff is BS. No one knows where this guy is headed yet. My money is on Philly.

I don’t think the Sox were in a position to offload 2 or 3 top 100 prospects in a trade last winter for someone that hits FA after the 2022 season. Heck, I don’t think they are in the position to do that now either. I don’t think the WS window opens until 2021 personally. Maybe 2020 if everything goes right but that’s probably optimistic with the number of questions surrounding the starting rotation. I would consider that type of trade next winter or the following winter but not sooner. At least with the way the team is currently constructed. Now if they sign Harper or Machado maybe that changes their outlook but until then I’m not keen on unloading that type of depth when they still have so many holes to fill.

EE was going into his age 34 season. Not what I would consider his prime years. Indians, like the WS, typically avoid signing big free agents (because they are generally overpaid and present poor value especially for lower budget teams). They could have easily packaged a couple of their prospects for a major outfield upgrade with a modest increase in payroll. Like I said, thankfully they didn’t put together a package for Yelich last winter. They could have easily beat the Brewers package if they wanted.

They’d have been much better off moving Chisenhall to a DH/utility man role than sign EE after the 2016 season. Like you said he’s a solid hitter but he’s dreadful in RF. Always easier to fill the DH spot than every day position players, especially with average to plus defenders. Just look at the White Sox ? That’s why I’d never spend big money for a full time DH after the Dunn debacle unless the guy is an elite hitter in his prime like JDM.