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QUOTE (ptatc @ Dec 20, 2017 -> 08:19 AM) No doubt. It remains to be seen how effective it will be. It's a very good test case for sure. I haven't seen a starting pitcher hit the weights this hard and undertake such an unorthodox training program since Roger Clemens. I'm sure there are others but none that I am aware of or at least none that I have seen documented so openly. If he has half the career Clemens did, I'd be thrilled.

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QUOTE (fathom @ Dec 16, 2017 -> 07:43 PM) Trading Russell and his control for one year of Manny makes no sense either, especially if Harper is your long-term guy I thought Jason Heyward is their long term guy? Whether they like it or not

QUOTE (SouthSideSale @ Dec 15, 2017 -> 08:19 AM) I was just saying the teams he mentioned. He also said the Marlins because he’s from Miami. I didn’t mention them because he talked about that not happening now with their rebuild. Understood. Comment was directed to Heyman. Boston and New York seems like the safe answer but in this case probably not the most logical.

QUOTE (SouthSideSale @ Dec 15, 2017 -> 06:57 AM) Of course Jon Heyman, on the score, mentions Yankees and Red Sox next offseason for Machado. But they’re not quite sure where Machado is going to want to go yet. I don't understand why the Red Sox would be a fit if they believe in Devers and Xander is under control through 2019, why not just extend him? Also, haven't the Red Sox effectively eliminated themselves as an option because of the recent bad blood? I know, money talks, but if it's the difference between $325M and $340M or something to that effect I can't see him choosing the Red Sox. The Yankees only make sense if they are willing to exceed the luxury tax threshold.

I'm surprised the Indians aren't one of the top suitors. Hell, they were running out Urshela at 3B at the end of last season and their window is closing soon.

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QUOTE (soxfan2014 @ Dec 12, 2017 -> 10:39 AM) I just meant at some point. I'm sure they will sign a stop-gap, backup IF to open the year. Darwin Barney if they want someone cheap to fill in temporarily and defend really well makes sense. Gotcha. I think they really liked what Frazier did there last year especially during the playoffs. He seems like a logical vet presence/bridge to a young player like Andujar. But I really do think a guy like Yolmer is a perfect fit for them too because of his defensive versatility. They should have enough offense already and could easily get away bating a guy like Sanchez 9th that provides premium defense.

QUOTE (soxfan2014 @ Dec 12, 2017 -> 10:23 AM) I would guess: 1. Brett Gardner, DH 2. Aaron Judge LF 3. Giancarlo Stanton, RF 4. Gary Sanchez, C 5. Greg Bird, 1B 6. Didi Gregorious 7. Aaron Hicks CF 8. Gleyber Torres, 2B 9. Miguel Andujar, 3B (Headley just dealt) Corners will rotate a lot between those spots and DH for days off. I'd be shocked if the Yankees started two young, unproven rookies in the infield to begin the season. Wouldn't be surprised to see them bring Frazier back. Also, makes Yolmer Sanchez much more appealing for the Yankees given his defensive ability to play 2b and 3b at a high level...

In a straight up trade I'd guess Frazier nets someone like Mike Foltynewicz. That's about where I see his value right now. He wouldn't return a Teheran unless the Yankees included additional prospects.

QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Dec 10, 2017 -> 08:37 AM) Ok, who says no: Sox trade Carlos Rodon for Clint Frazier & Justus Sheffield If Rodon were healthy, I think both say yes. But he's not so I'd say Yankees say no.

QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Dec 10, 2017 -> 07:37 AM) What exactly is prospect hype? The fact that Clint Frazier has been a universal top 50 prospect while Cordell has never been able to crack a top 100 list? I loved picking up Cordell for Swarzak, but that doesn’t change the fact that Frazier is hands down the superior prospect. Frazier simply has louder tools, including plus raw power & elite bat speed. He’s also demonstrated better plate discipline in the upper minors. Now ignoring all that, even if we were to judge prospects based solely on one partial AAA season, you fail to acknowledge that Cordell played in the PCL and his home park was in Colorado Springs. Despite that OPS difference, Frazier still had a higher wRC+ (even without park adjustments) all while being nearly 2 1/2 years younger (which is more than just a “bit”). Maybe you can use these stats to argue Cordell is underrated, but he’s certaintly not similar caliber of prospect when you consider all relevant information. This is when a prospect maintains a high ranking despite the fact that the results have yet to support the ranking. Frazier is a near classic example of this. High first round draft pick that shows up high in prospect rankings largely because of where he was drafted. He's only had one standout season offensively in the minors and that was at a low level (A+) back in 2015. There's definite bust potential there which is why I don't think Sanchez + Fulmer is such an obvious trade for the Sox but one I'd still do. This all hypothetical anyway as I don't see the Sox as a great match. I just don't think a package of Frazier and a couple lesser prospects returns much more than a 3rd/4th starter type unless there are money concerns in which the trading team is looking to cut salary.

I'll just add, I think a lot of people forget Sanchez is only 25 since he's been around the big league club since 2014. Most hitters peak in their late 20s and he made great strides last year. I understand he doesn't have the prospect hype surrounding him like Frazier, but at worst he's an above average utility infielder. At best he's an above average starter. He has a lower ceiling than a guy like Frazier but also a higher floor imo.

QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Dec 9, 2017 -> 10:49 PM) I’m honestly for a loss of words. If we could get Frazier for Sanchez & Fulmer the deal would already be done. Cordell has zero impact on that. And WTF is this Frazier has to be a 6 WAR player nonsense? If Frazier is a 4 WAR player it’s a tremendous trade for us. If he’s a 3 WAR player it’s a still a win. And I have no idea was this $50M/2 year mistake is all about. I think you are overvaluing Frazier and/or undervaluing Sanchez. Frazier certainly has value but his stock is down a fair amount from last winter. After a hot start, he didn't play well in the bigs last year (negative WAR). With Sanchez, he has proven to be one of the premier defensive infielders in baseball and plays plus plus defense at 2b, SS, and 3b. If he continues to improve offensively he's a legit 3 WAR guy over a full season. I'd still make the trade if I'm the Sox because Frazier fits into the rebuild timeframe better and I think the Sox could afford to lose Fulmer but it's close IMO.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Dec 9, 2017 -> 10:35 PM) That was before Castro was traded. And I think some here are getting Gleyber Torres and Ronald Torreyes confused. He’s more of a utility guy. So who starts at 3b? I don't think the Yankees are high on Headley since they had Todd freakin Frazier playing over him last year after the trade. And, reportedly, Headley is on the block; https://nypost.com/2017/12/09/why-stanton-d...at-at-meetings/

QUOTE (FT35 @ Dec 9, 2017 -> 10:08 PM) I thought the same thing till I realized he wasn’t talking about Gleyber. I thought Gleyber Torres was slated for 3b, not 2b. Headley is mediocre at best and getting old. I'd imagine he will be a platoon player next year.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Dec 9, 2017 -> 10:01 PM) I would totally hate to do this, I really would. I think Sanchez is a decent player and Fulmer may or may not be a decent pitcher. I'm not sure if Frazier is an injury related bust or not, but he was a top 10 prospect a year ago. There's a nonzero chance he's a star, there is a zero chance Sanchez is a star. I'd hate this but I'd sit down with every scout in my org and every trainer in my org, and if the reports were solidly positive I'm in. That's the kind of rebuilding gamble I would do if my trainers were ok with it. Frazier has an all star quality bat. It looked dynamite pre-injury last year, that was one quick swing. I'd hate myself for this gamble, but i'd take it. I hate gambling like that, but the reward is too great. From the Sox perspective, doesn't seem like Sanchez really fits the "window of contention" since he's a free agent after 2021 and out of position (even though he looks solid at 3b would be nice to have some more power at the position). And with Fulmer, they'd be trading from a position of strength (at least within a couple of years). I know, can never have enough pitching but man the outfield looks thin in a few years and they definitely need to build some more depth there. Everyone is penciling in Rutherford, Jimenez, and Robert in a few years but at least one is likely to bust if not two. I'm not holding my breath that Delmonico is an option for LF either. We still don't know if his hit tool is near good enough to offset his awful defense, even if it improves out there a bit.

QUOTE (hi8is @ Dec 9, 2017 -> 09:58 PM) You sure about that? Yep. The only thing Torreyes does better is hit for a higher batting average. Sanchez walks more, hits for more power, and plays better defense (especially at 2b).

I suggested in the Stanton thread, Sanchez + Fulmer for Frazier who says no? Sanchez would be an upgrade over Torreyes and Fulmer could compete for their 5th starter spot.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Dec 9, 2017 -> 11:15 AM) Frazier might be the way they're thinking about satisfying their pitching needs. They probably don't have a ton of money to spend but I've got to figure they'll be after someone who is more ready. Assuming Fulmer would be too much of a risk for the Yankees? He'd be a young controllable 5th starter (potentially). I'm not sure Frazier by himself nets more than an established 3rd/4th starter type.

Certainly makes you wonder how the Yankees view Frazier. Not that the Sox line up as a great fit but would a package of Sanchez and Fulmer get it done for Frazier?

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QUOTE (BlackSox13 @ Nov 7, 2017 -> 04:31 PM) So you don't accept David Robertson's reasoning for signing with the Sox and you don't accept Hahn saying the Sox will not be spending on big free agents. Well, go ahead and keep thinking the Sox have a chance at signing Reed. Just don't complain when Reed signs with a contender. I don't classify guys like Reed, Swarzak, McGee, etc. as "big" signings. And watch when they do sign a vet this offseason. I bet they are quoted saying similar things as DRob in 2014 "I really like the moves that this organization is making" "I think this team is very close to competing and want to be a part of it" etc etc