JUSTgottaBELIEVE

Since when was Ellis considered a decent prospect? Please send me the publication that shows him anywhere near the org’s T30 waterboy.

False equivalency. One guy has a single “asset” and that’s baserunning. He needs to be near flawless at it to have even a shred of value on an mlb roster. The other guy is a 1-2 WAR player and doesn’t rely on his baserunning for his value. It was still an idiotic mistake by DeJong, there’s no doubt about it, but I’m also not about to blame him being “raw” or some other BS for that mental mistake like some are doing with Ellis…

Oh, that explains a lot. See, I don’t view Ellis as a loss. He sucks. He’s a 26 year old with a career .661 OPS in the minor leagues. Sure, he’s fast but you can’t steal first base.

I’m not chasing anyone. I responded to one of your quotes with a statement that Ellis sure looked like s%*# in his limited time in mlb. You brought the GM into the discussion, which seems to be a common theme for you. Every. single. move is the GM’s fault. Never the player’s fault (unless the GM traded for him like Fletcher or signed him like Maldonado then it’s the player and GM’s fault).

He’s made some good moves and he’s made some bad moves. Given what he was handed less than 12 months ago, I don’t have a strong opinion one way or another yet. Check back with me in another 12 months.

And they don’t understand why I am confused…. They don’t like signing one year vets for trash bin prices, they want to see the young guys play for the Sox now but then complain that they aren’t ready, and they expend an incredible amount of energy about DFAing inconsequential minor leaguers or guys like JRod before they even know the whole story. Got it.

“I think anyone with a brain would have seen value in building chemistry between Lee/Quero and the various pitchers instead of expecting Maldonado to develop them.” ^then wtf is that? Is this not implying Quero should be with the big club instead of Maldonado or am I taking crazy pills?

It’s complaining just to complain. That’s all it is. Getz inherited the worst roster in MLB less than a year ago. He had zero payroll flexibility last offseason. I don’t know how anyone can judge him yet when all he’s been able to do is dive in the bargain bin for ONE offseason. The one multi year contract he did offer has been one of the best free agent signings of last offseason. Let’s at least give this trade deadline and another offseason before we crucify him for every single move he makes, good lord.

I think the need to rip Getz for every. single. move. he makes is why you are confused.

He’s “raw” because he sucks, I am not sure why this is confusing.

Who said that? Are you saying Quero has more experience and is more mlb ready than Ellis? Otherwise, wtf are you even arguing at this point?

You do understand that Ellis has been in pro ball as long as Quero and played 4 years of college ball before that right?

So 26 year old Ellis isn’t ready to pinch run in mlb but 21 year old Quero is ready to play the most difficult defensive position in mlb? Got it

What an awful analogy lol

He’s 26 years old. How long do you want to wait until he’s “ready”? Truth is that dude will never be ready.

Maldonado will be gone soon enough. He’s irrelevant and plays a completely different position than Ellis. Neither guy matters to the white sox this year or beyond. People complaining just to complain. Kinda like when there was a 20 page thread about how awful it was of Getz to DFA Jose Rodriguez.

Meh. It’s a mental mistake that simply can’t happen, especially when your biggest asset is your baserunning.

You shouldn’t get picked off second base in high school baseball let alone when you’re 26 years old and have been playing the game for 20 years.

Maybe it was nerves but he didn’t do a damn thing right in his mlb cup of coffee. If you’re a speed and defense guy you can’t get picked off second base and make errors in the outfield.

I know and that’s why I think this is a realistic trade for both sides.

Crochet now #2 in fWAR out of all MLB pitchers. Not bad.

Murphy and Nacho gets it done for me

Nothing new really. That’s why I said yesterday if I was offered 2 - 50/55 FV and 1 - 45 FV prospects for Robert I’d take it. Should have traded him last offseason and the longer they hold onto him the further his trade value deteriorates imo.

This would be an amazing trade for the Sox but I don’t see Cleveland giving up this much for him.

Garrett didn’t have his best stuff tonight but still manages to pick up a quality start. That’s the sign of an ace.