JUSTgottaBELIEVE

QUOTE (DrunkBomber @ Jan 25, 2011 -> 08:05 PM) No I dont agree with your post. I liked the trade then and I still do, and yes some of it has to do with our draft history in early rounds. Im talking about this year with Orton and Cutler. Its hilarious that you would try to use only qb rating to determine who had a better year. Ill take the 2 seed in the NFC and trip to the NFC Championship and you can have the 4-12 record or whatever it is and the higher passer rating. Never said he had a better year simply stated he had a higher qb this year and last. Its hilarious that you even compare the bears to the broncos this year and use win total as the sole basis for saying that cutler had a better year. You think cutler would have made the playoffs with that denver defense? Now that's hilarious Using that logic I guess cutler also had a better year than michael vick too since the bears won more games than the eagles and advanced two rounds further in the playoffs

QUOTE (lostfan @ Jan 25, 2011 -> 06:54 PM) Rodgers's line is better and his WRs are in a totally different stratosphere. Knox would be like the 3rd or 4th WR on the Packers. I meant to say 2009 Packers, the line was horrid but yes i agree the WR are markedly better

QUOTE (Steve9347 @ Jan 25, 2011 -> 06:45 PM) I look at a guy who got sacked 52 times, hurried at least another 150-200, had the league's 22nd ranked rushing attack, has one of the worst crops of WR in the league, and still pulled off an 87 QB rating and think "God damn, if Angelo put a hint of talent around him he'd dominate". Cutler is very, very good. I thought for a minute you were describing the Packers/Aaron Rodgers until you got to the WR position and QB rating that is...

QUOTE (DrunkBomber @ Jan 25, 2011 -> 06:29 PM) Kyle Ortons team was garbage and he was benched for Tebow at the end of the year. All his numbers were from mop up duty when his team was getting blown out. I get it, you dont like Jay Cutler but your opinion is just that, an opinion. the broncos were 8-8 in 2009. what was denver's record with cutler at qb in 2007 and 2008? i guess the stats from all 3 years were in mop up time?

QUOTE (DrunkBomber @ Jan 25, 2011 -> 06:30 PM) the Bears arent constructed to need a QB to take them to the next level. An above average qb should be fine with an improved OL and some better weapons. so then you agree with my point. they would have been better off utilizing those resources to improve other aspects of the team.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jan 25, 2011 -> 05:51 PM) He's now in his 5th year in the league, his 4th as a full time starter, and aside from the 76 rating from 2009 (all the INT's), he's posted a QB Rating of 86-88 in every year of his career. You really do hope that a long term, franchise level QB will take a bigger step forwards at some point (although yeah there are the qualifiers...lots of offensive coordinators, lack of protection in Chicago, the fact that he was viewed as raw coming out). It's too early to start really questioning things with him...but if there's a season next year, you'd really like to see some serious improvement from him. AN 86-88 QB rating is solidly in the middle of the pack for QB's every year, and I don't think that's what the Bears were hoping for when they traded for him. I agree. He's definitely not the weakest link. He's an above average QB but not a guy that will take you to the next level IMO. They are fully invested though at this point so they better hope he takes the next step soon.

QUOTE (DrunkBomber @ Jan 25, 2011 -> 05:47 PM) He was 25 and a pro bowler when they traded for him so what are you talking about? All I am saying is that going from Orton to Cutler was a relatively small improvement at the QB position compared to the other team needs at the time of the trade. In my opinion, they would have been wise to utilize those resources in a different manner. I know the Bears suck at early round drafting but those draft picks combined with the cash tied up into Cutler's contract could have been put to better use at improving WR, OL, etc. I think it's ironic that Kyle freakin Orton had a better passer rating than Jay Cutler in each of the last two seasons...go figure

If I was a Bears fan I would be more concerned about Cutler's ability as a QB and ability to win the big game in this league rather than his attitude, ability to play through an injury, etc. Just think about how much the bears gave up for a "franchise" QB (in terms of draft picks, personnel, and cash) and you would have thought they traded for Drew Brees or Tom Brady not Jay Cutler who has proven to be an above average QB in this league but not one to take you over the top. That's what I would be upset about.

QUOTE (GoodAsGould @ Jan 25, 2011 -> 06:53 AM) Lol how does making a bad pass equal to that of a miracle trip? The Bears did get a miracle interception though to end the first half, so Im not complaining or anything. I just feel the game was just bad for Bears fans to watch, the first 3 quarters were just plain hard to watch than they raise your hopes in 4th only to get crushed at the end. just saying the miracle trip never happens if the bad pass doesn't happen. how can you say the packers were fortunate for the rodgers tackle but bears not fortunate for the bad and uncharacteristic pass? i am tired of hearing these hypotheticals from some bears fans, there is no end to it...

QUOTE (chw42 @ Jan 24, 2011 -> 11:15 PM) That's because everybody in the country pretty much took up your point of view - how the Bears were fortunate to face backup QBs. Well guess what, other playoff teams did too and some of them LOST. The Packers lost to Drew Stanton, the Bears didn't. The Eagles lost to Joe Webb, the Bears didn't. If you get the whole "oh look how many backups they faced" out of your head, you'll see that the Bears were one of the top 4 teams in the NFC this season and that they did have a chance to win yesterday. Hell, it took Green Bay a pick six, an injured Cutler, and one miracle trip of Brian Urlacher by Rodgers for them to pull that game out yesterday. And the Packers are the best team in the NFC. how do you know the game would have been closer if cutler wasn't injured for the second half? he showed nothing in the first half to say the bears would have even scored 14 points with him in there. don't even get started on injuries either. GB was missing nearly half of its opening day starters, how many were the bears missing? also, you say miracle trip by rodgers, i say uncharacteristic and awful pass by rodgers on 3rd down that cost them 3 points. it's all in the eyes of the beholder...

QUOTE (lostfan @ Jan 24, 2011 -> 08:25 PM) Green Bay's defense is a top 3 unit and the mediocre Bears receivers are overmatched by Green Bay's corners (not even getting into the pass protection issues yet). Rodgers's QB ratings are also lower vs. the Bears than his normal QB ratings. by his standards yes, but wow that's an unbelievably tough standard...game log... 2008 - 105.8 and 87.6 2009 - 92.0 and 88.9 2010 - 92.5, 89.7, and 55.4 not too shabby, yesterday was really his only dud in 7 games

QUOTE (JUSTgottaBELIEVE @ Jan 24, 2011 -> 08:15 PM) well...game log... 2009 - 43.2 and 74.9 2010 - 82.5, 43.5, and 31.8 seems consistently below average to me. he threw 1 TD and 1 INT in his highest rated game (82.5) in this year's first meeting. in today's nfl, i would consider an 82.5 rating average at best just did a quick lookup and median qb rating for nfl starters this year...Orton: 87.5 (#15) and Cutler: 86.3 (#16). so I would say an 85ish qb rating is average by today's standards. by those standards, all 5 of his games were below average with one game borderline average at 82.5

QUOTE (SoxFan1 @ Jan 24, 2011 -> 08:09 PM) Not a chance. His week 17 struggles had a lot more to do with Martz' stupid play calling. And his Bears debut/debacle 4-int game skews those numbers a lot. well...game log... 2009 - 43.2 and 74.9 2010 - 82.5, 43.5, and 31.8 seems consistently below average to me. he threw 1 TD and 1 INT in his highest rated game (82.5) in this year's first meeting. in today's nfl, i would consider an 82.5 rating average at best

in 5 career games against the packers (including the playoffs), cutler has a QB rating of just under 55 and a record of 1-4. sprained MCL or not, it seems that hanie gave the bears the better chance to win yesterday based on cutler's lack of success against Dom Caper's 3-4 DEF. that's a scary thought when your 3rd string QB (well really 2nd string QB) is even in the same conversation as the team's "franchise" QB. at this point, i really think the packers have gotten into his head. whether that had a factor in the way things played out yesterday afternoon, only Jay and maybe the Bears coaching staff will ever know...

QUOTE (JPN366 @ Jan 23, 2011 -> 09:59 PM) I wonder how the Packers feel about already losing the Super Bowl. I'm sure they don't feel that way and neither does vegas... http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/odds I'm a bit surprised the steelers aren't favorites but it should be a close game within a TD either way

QUOTE (Palehosefan @ Jan 23, 2011 -> 09:13 PM) Steelers did it in 2005 and then beat the #1 seed Seattle in the Super Bowl(thanks to the refs, I know I know). ok, knew they were a #6 seed but wasn't sure if they knocked off the top three seeds in the conference. gonna be a tough game against the steelers because they play well on both sides of the ball and their offense can beat you in many ways. I think they present an even tougher matchup for the packers than the patriots would have. think about this...packers built the foundation of a great defense in one round of the NFL draft...2009 NFL draft - B.J. Raji (9th overall pick) and Clay Matthews (26th overall pick). I realize that they have many other defensive playmakers like Woody, Jenkins, and Williams but Raji has been key over this 5 game win streak and Matthews... well he's been a force to reckon with since Week 6 of the 2009 season. Both second year players and only 24 years old should have a big future presuming they stay healthy.

Has any team ever knocked off the no 1,2, and 3 seeds en route to the super bowl? That's pretty crazy

Shields shields shields! But seriously that shouldn't have been that close. I wonder if rodgers suffered another concussion after that peppers hit cuz he was off the rest of the game. GO PACK GO!!!

Hey collins the game isn't over yet wake up!

Raji!!!

Bears are fortunate to be down only 14. Packers are in a different class right now

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QUOTE (Felix @ Apr 19, 2010 -> 11:38 AM) Two of my roommates just took the FE on Saturday. That's just an absurdly long test. yea, 8 hours makes for a long day. I actually thought the PE was a bit easier than the FE. wasn't sure if anyone else on here took it and how they felt about it but I was definitely expecting worse.

Any engineers in here that took the Civil PE Exam last Friday?

QUOTE (DrunkBomber @ Sep 9, 2008 -> 07:17 PM) Ya, he also slowed down towards the end of the year. Im not saying AP isnt great, Im just saying the secret is out now, so things like no passing game are going to effect his production more now that he has a bulls eye on his back as opposed to being a rookie who had a few good games. teams werent loading the box AS much the beginning of last season because AP was still new, now teams are going to force Jackson to beat them. This isnt hard to follow, its football 101 and comparing it to something like Manning being on the Bears is stupid. i thought teams were going to load up the box this year and AP wouldn't be nearly as productive? I will give you his yards per carry has decreased (although 4.9 i still very, very good) but 1100 rushing yards through 11 games aint too shabby (1st in NFL). I'd say he has been quite productive