JUSTgottaBELIEVE

https://friarsonbase.com/manny-machado-fernando-tatis-jr-get-absolutely-dragged-on-social-media-after-padres-flameout-01ja050cx9dg machado is getting torched on social media

this Padres fan thinks so and no it’s not me

If anything, it showed how much they missed Musgrove

Padres fans on twitter so pissed at Cease now that they’ve lost the series (and they lost 2 of the 3 games he started).

Don’t worry, they’ll have the lowest payroll in the division in 2025. I’ll be surprised if they top $80M.

Huh? Contreras had a 3.49 ERA in the postseason. Even Kershaw has decent postseason stats, it just looks bad because of how much more dominant he’s been in the regular season. 13 ERA in 4 playoff games, 3 of them starts, and not even able to get out of the 4th inning in any of those 3 starts is just really bad no matter how you want to spin it.

Many pitchers don’t even get 3 postseason starts over their entire career so no sample size doesn’t apply here. Mark Buehrle had just 4 (!) postseason starts over his entire career and he won a World Series.

Cease sucks in the postseason, it’s ok to admit. Hope it doesn’t cost the Padres the series because I can’t stand the Dodgers.

He’s no Madison Bamgarner that’s for sure! Edit: heck, I’d take a 35 year old Quintana over playoff Dylan Cease by a long shot

All that they’ll remember is losing in the playoffs to their arch rival Dodgers and that he choked in 2 of the 5 games. For his sake, they better win tomorrow…

If the Padres lose tomorrow, Cease is going to be public enemy number one in SD

I guess Dylan Cease is a choke artist come playoff time eh? Career ERA of 13 in 4 games now yikes

+Crochet. They have already been linked to him for months.

So what’s the solution? Just continue to draft high ceiling arms in the early rounds and hope you can develop enough to fill out a rotation as well as flip some for established veteran position players? Because they do seem to develop pitchers better than average, it’s just the position player side of things has been horrific.

Holliday is not a finished product judging by his defense at 2b and .566 OPS this season…

I’d contend the bigger problem has not been quantity vs quality but rather coaching/development. Until that’s addressed not much else works no matter what route they choose.

With a different owner, I would agree. The problem is this owner won’t sign any worthwhile free agents so how do you intend to fill all these roster holes? Did the Nationals or Padres trade Soto for a single prospect? Did the Guardians trade Lindor for a single prospect? Did the Cubs trade Yu Darvish for a single prospect? I guess there’s no right or wrong answer but considering the complete lack of depth in the Sox org right now I strongly prefer the quantity route at this point in the rebuild. I’m not interested in a single player return for Crochet.

Yes, they’re in a worse starting point than 2016. Did you miss that they lost 121 games this season? Now, I do believe they can be competitive again in 2-3 years but only if they hit on the Crochet trade and find some mlb caliber starters in the other vets they trade. Obviously need to draft better than the last rebuild and be more active in the international FA market too. Not an easy task I know but not impossible.

That’s the whole discussion. Crochet is gone, there’s multiple reports saying they’re moving him. Trade Crochet for multiple prospects. They desperately need depth up and down the org. Keep the multiple prospects rather than flipping them for one, again they need depth. The Sox have so many holes to address, why would they be considering trading an established player for a single prospect? It makes no sense imo.

I’ve made my position clear. Absolutely trade Crochet but I’m not trading him for a single player like Holliday in return. If the front office is incapable of finding 3 quality prospects in return for Crochet then none of this matters anyways. I like the idea of Crawford+Caba as the foundation of a trade with the Phillies.

I still believe in Thorpe but why the hell are you penciling Crochet into the rotation? He’s gone. So you have Skenes, Thorpe, and Cannon as your #3? Where’s that getting you?

And if you trade for one guy and he’s a bust like Eloy how is that any better?

Like Holliday, he’s no longer a prospect

I was responding to the other poster’s hypothetical. And I agree, Skenes is far more of a sure thing than Holliday, which is why Holliday has less trade value than Skenes.