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With Heyman mentioning the Dodgers still in pursuit of Cease, how would people feel about an all pitchers package of Frasso+Stone+Ferris? Personally, I would love it.

This is where I’m at. Also, after getting screwed on the draft lottery I’m of the opinion that it’s not the end of the world if they try to compete this season. And by compete I mean try to win perhaps one of the worst divisions in mlb history. Might only need 84 wins to take the Central in 2024. It’s unlikely but crazier things have happened. Lots of ifs but if Cease and Kopech return to 2022 form and if Fedde is Mikolas 2.0, that’s a solid top of the rotation. Still not sure where the offense is going to come from but perhaps with a decent pitching staff and good defense they can hang around .500 into July.

Certainly possible and that’s the risk you take. But if you’re getting shitty offers now it’s not much of a risk anyways imo.

? if the offers are even worse than the Cole return, which it sounds like they are, hold onto him and (1) see if he pitches well in the first half of the season and trade him in July or (2) if he pitches well and the team is playing better than expected (unlikely I know but the ALC sucks) keep him and make a run at a very bad division.

It’s also why Elias would be a fool to hold onto all of his prospects and not trade for an established starter while that team is in their contention window.

I’m always an advocate for acquiring pitching so I loved the Eaton trade at the time. Quantity and quality. Still can’t believe they got that much for Adam Eaton.

Right and it was still an epic flop. Some are advocating that Getz accept one top 100 guy and a few fill ins, which is apparently what’s been offered to date. What’s the rush to accept that? 50/50 odds that type of package amounts to a zero at the end of the day. Might as well wait until July if that’s the case.

And let’s be honest, if the offers are underwhelming it doesn’t matter anyway. Look at what the Pirates got for Cole back in 2018. Musgrove was serviceable but the rest was garbage. Didn’t move the needle and pretty much comparable to zero at the end of the day.

I think Dylan says it best here

Yankees line up very well…

I don’t consider either of those pitchers premium prospects. 45 FV prospects that don’t move the needle. Sox have plenty of those.

Yes! This is my ideal package. If we can pry Jones + Hampton + Lombard or Arias or Warren from the Yankees that would be fantastic.

Not very for either side because I don’t see the Orioles trading Westburg and I think the Sox want one of the two premium prospects to be a pitcher.

That’s what I’m expecting too. anything short of that would indeed be underwhelming.

But you’re assuming he gets hurt? Why? Where’s the third option in which he pitches decently well in the first half of the season and they trade him in July?

But you didn’t answer the question. I listed a package that I would consider an “underwhelming” package. You’d accept it anyways? personally, I’d be more disappointed if they accepted something like that versus him being on the opening day roster.

So if you’re offered Ortiz+Povich+Beavers, you’re taking it? Not me. It’s likely all three fail to become even average mlb regulars. So to me that’s not “cashing in” and I’m taking my chances by waiting.

Right. I think when he says “fill-ins” it’s a teams #5-15 prospects, depending on the strength of the farm system. Not top 100 mlb prospects but not complete long shots either.

Not me. I’d rather hold him if the Orioles are only offering one premium prospect (Kjerstad/Cowser for example) and then two or three fringe prospects.

But yes, I could see the orioles having already offered something like Kjerstad + Beavers + Povich and Getz asking for one more high end prospect like Cowser to add to the mix, which the Orioles are balking at. That makes sense to me.

It depends how you define “fill-ins.” Could mean a lot of different things. Some may interpret that as anyone outside the mlb top 100 (Povich, beavers, etc. meet this criteria) while others may interpret this as complete lotto prospects that don’t even show up on a team’s top 30 (I don’t think he meant that).

Bears have a lot more “quality” with their 2024 picks, meaning they’re higher but the Packers are expected to have 14 draft picks after they receive comp picks for Lazard, Reed, and Lowry. They are currently starting 6 guys from the 2023 draft and a few others are getting serious reps. I’m guessing most of their oldest veterans are all gone after this season - Bahktiari, Owens, Dillon, Campbell, Savage. Maybe they keep Aaron Jones (they’ll draft at least one RB in 2024, probably even 2 or 3 with all the picks they have). There’s a very good chance the Packers get even YOUNGER and cheaper next season…

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2023/sep/30/the-green-bay-packers-where-fans-rather-than-a-billionaire-are-the-owners This is an interesting article I stumbled across a few months ago. It's a really interesting topic. And one question I asked after reading this: is the packers success on the field largely a function of this community based non-profit ownership? Because the fans are the owners and the thing they prioritize most is winning. The thing that many owners like Reinsdorf prioritize is profits, which rarely aligns with winning. I know which model I prefer as a fan!

Oh they’re screwed for the next decade. That’s why Tepper is cleaning house.

Crazy to see SF that high. Lynch is a genius.