JUSTgottaBELIEVE

If they trade Cease and Robert for prospects that easily puts the Sox farm system as the top in MLB correct? Plus another top 5 pick coming next draft.

Since the start of 2021 (Fields’ rookie year), the Bears are 7-6 in games started by a QB other than Fields and 6-25 in games started by Fields

The biggest common theme is shitty ownership. Until that changes, not much else changes on the field.

From an organizational standpoint, the Bears and White Sox have a lot in common.

Which is exactly why I said the one-sidedness of this rivalry in recent years goes far beyond just the QB position…

I think yesterday’s beatdown was so hurtful for a lot of bears fans because it destroyed the narrative that the only reason the packers beat up the bears in recent years was due to the QB position. They were expecting a big shift in power as soon as rodgers was gone. It goes far beyond that imo.

R u dead?

It was far from consensus last November..

I was mocked last year when I said the Lions would be the team to beat in the North this season and for the foreseeable future. Everyone laughed at the idea of a Goff led team being a true contender (despite the fact he’s already done it before). Who’s laughing now?

2.41 ERA vs (terrible hitting) AL Central teams, 5.05 ERA against everyone else this season. He’s the same #5 starter that he was last year. Not sure what an innings eater #5 starter is worth on the open market these days but someone will surely overpay. A miracle the Sox even got a top 100 MLB prospect for him.

I’m in the middle. I like Burger and having a cheap power bat like that is nice but the Sox also need starting pitching depth so I get it. I just would have preferred sending a “big” name like Eloy instead. Frees up more payroll and Burger has more flexibility defensively. The tweet about Hahn not wanting to let go of his prized possessions was spot on (best draft pick - TA, best trade - Cease/Eloy, best free agent signing - Robert).

I’m not saying it’s likely but you can certainly win with that starting rotation if you have a strong bullpen and hit the crap out of the ball. That’s the recipe for the 2023 Baltimore Orioles where their “ace” is Kyle Bradish and #2 is Kyle Gibson ?

I think this is premature. I still believe Vaughn has the ability to put together a Konerko-like type of career. Some of those doubles this year will start turning into homers as the weather improves.

So what you’re saying is the Sox would have the same record as the A’s right now if they resigned Abreu?

^Harold the only one that gets it

No, you don’t get it because you all still think Goff is a bum and the lions suck. Wake up. The Lions are coming.

When I look at this Lions team, I see a team going into the 2023 season that’s comparable to the 2017 LA Rams. On the verge of really breaking out. I always hear people say Campbell is a bad coach too. I just watched a head coach call one of the best and gutsiest games ever. That was something to watch.

Lions are a big problem for the NFCN moving forward. You guys can hate on Goff all you want but that team is about to get scary. 8-2 to finish the season, super young, and a ton of draft picks next draft. They’re a problem.

He’s 28 and a top 12 QB in the league. They should be talking about extending him, not picking his successor.

Goff isn’t old. He’s 28 and in the prime of his career. Don’t see why they’d draft a QB high in the first round in 2023.

Lions have Goff under contract thru 2024. Don’t see why they’d be in play for a QB this draft.

I think Roquan will get paid more (is he better? That’s debatable I guess). I also think Washington will resign Payne.

And they’ve gone away from this of late. I guess they can sign the top defensive free agent this offseason - Roquan Smith. It’ll cost ~$20M per but they have the cap space. However, they need a lot more than that as we saw earlier this season before Roquan was traded.

You just said that drafting a QB in 2024 means the Bears aren’t competing for a playoff spot until at least 2025. I gave you two recent examples of situations in which second year QBs did a hell of a lot more than just competed for the playoffs in their second year in the league (Hurts, Lawrence, Lamar are other examples, it’s not unusual at all if done right). Then you say “things can turn around quickly in the NFL.” The Bears aren’t making the playoffs until at least 2024 with Fields. So you’re so impatient and shortsighted that you’re unwilling to wait one more year to build an even better team in a scenario where the Bears trade Fields for a couple high draft picks? You just mentioned in the post above they need volume, this we agree on.

Joe Burrow went to the Super Bowl in his second season. Patrick Mahomes went to the AFC title game in his second season and won the Super Bowl the season after. If you actually build a strong roster before drafting the QB, there’s no reason why the QB can’t succeed and Bears can’t contend for a title by 2025. They aren’t going anywhere in 2023, “maybe” they’re competitive in 2024 so they’re effectively punting to 2025 already.