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Yea, that’s the funny thing. They all want to harp on the potential for Cease’s trade value to drop between now and July when it’s more likely that Ortiz, Kjerstad, Cowser, McDermott have an even greater chance of seeing their trade value decline due to age. Maybe they’ll eventually understand that, maybe. Teams like the Dodgers certainly do.

So yea, any offer that starts with Jones/Hampton beats any Orioles offering under the assumption that the top 3/4 are off limits. Will the Yankees cave on Getz’s demand for two premium prospects? Guess we’ll find out over the next 3 weeks…

Yankees have the same number of top 100 prospects on the Baseball America list as the orioles and I’ve been told the Orioles top 3 (some say top 4) are untouchable. Despite that, I’ve also been told teams like the Yankees couldn’t compete with an offer from the orioles (again, without including any of the orioles top 3/4 prospects). Huh

@Rolle Tide says we shouldn’t depend on just one prospect list but if Nicky Ortiz somehow still cracks the top 100 on mlb pipeline’s list (I don’t think he will) that’s exactly what he will do

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Ok, we’ll talk again in a couple weeks when Nicky Ortiz drops in MLB pipeline’s updated list too…

The irony is next offseason after they win less than 88 games in 2024, miss the playoffs, AND fall out of the top 5 farm system rankings (aka follow the White Sox recent rebuild path).

I’m surprised @Sports Guyor @Rolle Tide haven’t opined on the BP top 101 list just released Re: Nicky Ortiz. They had a lot to say about him a couple weeks ago and more recently were laughing on their message board at the idea that Ortiz had fallen out of the top 100. ?

I wonder if Frasso + Liranzo + Knack + Hurt could work for both sides. Very pitching heavy but all three pitchers would be ready to contribute starting this year.

Who’s this Liranzo guy? Very young, I’m intrigued.

Probably the same thing Orioles fans are saying about Nicky Ortiz right now ?

Hell, the Sox may have more top 100 prospects than the Orioles after Cease is traded (if traded to Orioles). I realize they’re not as deep after that but still pretty cool.

I don’t have access but this guy does

If Cowser and Ortiz are the best prospects being offered in this deal it’s just not all that exciting tbh

Down to just 6 top 100 prospects? That’s why I said a few months ago that the Sox would have the best farm system in mlb by August if they decided to trade both Cease and Robert.

Yes sir. I completely agree. We don’t need a couple guys that maybe turn into ok regular mlb players. Doesn’t move the needle. We need the potential for an impact player and the best way to acquire one with Cease is exactly what you described.

Wrong. Many are saying dump him now even if the package is underwhelming. I spent most of yesterday arguing that they should NOT do this.

The LOL re: Clevinger goes beyond the stats. The guy is a douche and a clubhouse cancer imo. There’s a reason he’s still available and was available for cheap for the Sox last offseason.

Funny thing is on the other board some are mentioning Mike Clevinger as a good option for the Orioles. I couldn’t help but LOL

I still wonder how much the Dodgers trust Sheehan in the rotation and then you have two guys in Glasnow and Buehler with health concerns over a full season.

With Heyman mentioning the Dodgers still in pursuit of Cease, how would people feel about an all pitchers package of Frasso+Stone+Ferris? Personally, I would love it.

This is where I’m at. Also, after getting screwed on the draft lottery I’m of the opinion that it’s not the end of the world if they try to compete this season. And by compete I mean try to win perhaps one of the worst divisions in mlb history. Might only need 84 wins to take the Central in 2024. It’s unlikely but crazier things have happened. Lots of ifs but if Cease and Kopech return to 2022 form and if Fedde is Mikolas 2.0, that’s a solid top of the rotation. Still not sure where the offense is going to come from but perhaps with a decent pitching staff and good defense they can hang around .500 into July.

Certainly possible and that’s the risk you take. But if you’re getting shitty offers now it’s not much of a risk anyways imo.