JUSTgottaBELIEVE

They eased his workload after June. He pitched less in July than any other month. And he’s pitched worse once they cut his workload down so I don’t see the correlation.

23:1 strikeout to walk ratio in September. Looks pretty fresh to me lol

Garrett already gotcha the board. Nobody thought he could do what he’s done this season.

You can spin it however you want but he’s #7 in fWAR of all mlb pitchers this season. Not even I could have predicted that. Remarkable season for Garrett

It’s actually the opposite. He’s arbitrarily cut short in every dominant outing so the one horrific start, like against the Cubs in August, is magnified. Do you really think he couldn’t have thrown 7 or 8 shutout innings last night with the way he was dominating the Padres? 3.55 ERA for Crochet in all other post TDL starts taking the one Cubs start out.

So…it’s working? These days most playoff starting pitchers only go 4 or 5 innings anyways if they’re lucky (Sox starters averaged 3 innings/start in their last playoff series against the Astros).

And for those counting at home, Crochet now has an absurd 1.89 FIP and 15.53 K/9 in the month of September. He’s really fading lol

According to everyone here, haven’t the Sox already “abused” Crochet this season? 142 innings pitched when his previous high was 54.1 innings. This was said to be impossible and that anything over 100 innings we’d see him get injured/become completely ineffective. Didn’t look like that last night.

But I was told Crochet wouldn’t have helped a playoff team in a couple weeks and that he’s been bad since the trade deadline anyways. 4 innings, 1 hit, 8 strikeouts against one of the best hitting playoff teams in late September seems pretty good. I wonder how well he would do if he wasn’t tired and fading.

Perhaps but if Elias gets very aggressive and the trade backfires it will completely blow up their competitive window. In lieu of significant payroll increases, it’s already on edge imo.

I assumed the Orioles were already a lock for the playoffs but I just checked the standings and they’re only 4.5 games up on the Tigers for the last wild card spot and the two teams play a 3 game series this weekend. Still a long shot but things get very interesting if the Tigers sweep that series. Wild

But all I heard last offseason is how great Elias is. All I kept saying is it’s much easier to tear down, rebuild, show signs of promise then it is to actually put a team over the top to a championship. I think folks are understanding that now. He’s made many of the same mistakes Hahn made in 2020-2022. Signing bad free agent veterans for key roles (Kimbrel), trading promising young players for busts (Trevor Rogers), not building enough depth for areas of limited roster depth (starting rotation and bullpen), and relying too heavily on unproven prospects to be immediate significant mlb contributors during their competitive window (Holliday, Mayo, Povich, etc). His biggest issue moving forward is that their starting rotation is a nightmare in 2025, he has very little in the minors to backfill the holes, and I don’t think they will be big players for the top arms in free agency. Additionally, he’s lost much of his prospect capital to potentially acquire a front end arm via trade. And by lost, I mean a combination of relying on those once prospects to now fill key mlb roles moving forward, he’s no longer drafting in the top 5 of the mlb draft so it’s more difficult to supplement the farm than it was before, and lastly he has traded away quite of prospect capital over the past 12 months. Elias is in a tough spot and I still see a path for this latest Orioles rebuild effort to flame out much quicker than the most anticipated.

I hear ya and all I was saying is that this can be said about any dude throwing 100+ mph these days, they’re all ticking time bombs. Some posters (not you) seem to think if the Sox handled Garrett differently he never would have come down with TJS. GTFO with that nonsense. And as a hard throwing pitcher, when you do come down with the inevitable TJS, I don’t think you could ask for the timing to be any better than when Garrett’s hit. I guess the optimal time would be after signing the big contract like Chris Sale or Jacob DeGrom but Garrett was able to get paid an mlb salary and accrue service time while injured, he has 3 seasons to prove his worth prior to FA, and he’s going to hit FA at age 27. It’s really a great spot for him to be in.

You’re the one disputing that he wasn’t injured before that outing. Burden of proof is on you, not me.

It says in the article I linked. They saw a noticeable velocity drop and Garrett shaking his left hand in his second inning of work that prompted the mound visit…

I mean, you can say that about pretty much every one of these flamethrowers that has yet to experience TJS. What’s the solution, just don’t pitch them? At least Garrett was able to accrue mlb service time and get paid an mlb salary while he was recovering from TJS. Not a bad deal! Anyone faulting the Sox for how they handled Garrett is just looking for reasons to be mad at the team. This ain’t it.

Nope. It was not talked about ahead of time that he was injured. From the article I linked Garrett even said he was fine when Ricky visited him on the mound that game. The team was the one to pull the plug on that outing in an effort to protect his health.

Yes, I remember him getting hurt in his second inning of work in that playoff game but what you are implying is that the team pushed him to pitch that game while he was hurt. That’s news to me! We should fault the team for asking him to pitch in the playoffs? Like he did some type of noble service for pitching two postseasons in a row. Wtf is that? Makes zero sense.

And I can’t wait for the next time the Sox make the playoffs and half their pitching staff says they can’t pitch in the postseason and risk injury. That would be great for the game but hey at least we aren’t getting someone else rich! Dumb

I dunno. Seems like the Sox handled this situation very well. Provide me proof that they pushed him to pitch while he was injured because that’s what you’re implying. https://www.gulflive.com/sports/2020/10/former-ocean-springs-star-leaves-mlb-playoff-debut-with-injury.html?outputType=amp

Yea and they pulled him from the game. You knew he was hurt going into that game? Seriously? I never heard that.

Was he hurt when he pitched in the postseason in 2020 or 2021? Otherwise, Balta’s post has no merit. He gets paid to pitch, whether it’s regular season or postseason. This is the first I’ve heard of the team pushing him to pitch in the postseason when he was injured. Source?

lol. So let’s not ignore the fact he was doing his job as a pro athlete?

That the guy the Sox scored 6 runs on a couple weeks ago? I wouldn’t count on him for much in the playoffs

I want absolutely no part of Mayo. This team doesn’t need another DH that can’t hit.