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This is the exact type of trade you and I were discussing yesterday and the type of move an org like the Dodgers or Astros makes. Now finish it off with a short extension and it’s a huge win.

If the money is there don’t know why he wouldn’t. Close to home, world class city, World Series contender, and playing for his former manager (which they seem to get along well).

Absolutely. Lock him up thru 2023, which also aligns with the team’s control on Giolito and Keuchel.

Not if they extend Lynn

Franco has great value because of defense and his position but I bet Vaughn outhits him in 2021.

And as fathom has mentioned repeatedly, I’d be thrilled if this team is one and done like the cubs (in terms of World Series wins within this contention window).

He’s 19. He great but assuming he will produce like Acuna or Soto in 2021 is a big assumption. Moncada was a generational talent too and struggled mightily as a 22 year old rookie.

Rays might still be better in that scenario but not by much. And don’t forget the Sox add their #1 prospect as well as Kopech and (hopefully) several free agents so I think the gap between the two teams is closing.

Actually, let’s do one better than Musgrove and trade for Wheeler as long as the prospect return is minimal. A rotation of Giolito, Wheeler, Keuchel, Lynn, Cease/Kopech would be deadly.

Adding Musgrove as the #4 likely makes this team the AL favorite in 2021. Which team is better? Assuming Rays trade Snell still. Yankees rotation is in disarray and Sox offense is just as good with a competent RF and DH.

Exact type of trade I was discussing yesterday. Now extend Lynn thru 2023, which is the current contention window with this rotation (Giolito and Keuchel also free agents after 2023).

Perhaps there’s value in interacting with the player once he’s already in your organization before offering the big money deal compared to giving the big money right away in the free agency process? Red Sox did it with Sale. Dodgers did it with Mookie. Perhaps the Sox trade for Bauer last year and find out they’re not a big fan of his for whatever reason once he’s actually in the organization. It allows them to test out the player before making that long term investment. I believe they were considering the same with Machado before he hit free agency. I’m not saying it’s the perfect plan but if you are giving up relatively minimal prospects in return (say for Darvish and Lynn if those teams are looking to shed salary), I’m all for it.

Guess I’m thinking along the lines of Darvish and Lynn, not Snell.

Yep. Again, a trade...Dodgers have largely avoided free agency in recent years (FA not Friedman’s style).

I’m saying the Dodgers have done the exact opposite of making the big splashy moves in free agency. If the Sox look legit in 2021 and Darvish looks like he did in 2020 while the cubs are looking to dump salary, that’s the kind of move you make in July 2021 to push you over the top. Might cost you more in July than it does now but that’s the type of move the Astros have made in recent years to much success.

So what’s wrong with waiting until this team is ready to contend for a World Series before acquiring that big money pitcher via trade ala Astros/Verlander? The Sox are never going to operate like the Dodgers, 90% of the league can’t get anywhere near that type of payroll. So the model is the Astros. They made their big splash via trade for players that were on the back end of their mega deals (Verlander, Grienke). I’m fine with maintaining that type of payroll flexibility until July or next offseason and then making the big move If the team is a World Series contender (they weren’t in 2020).

Looking through their active roster, what’s their biggest free agent signing in the last 5 years (not counting guys already on the team that were extended)? AJ Pollock?

How were those players acquired? Lester is the only one of that group signed as a free agent and all the big Cubs’ free agent signings since that offseason were busts (except for Yu this past season when the rest of the team was on the decline already, too late).

Nothing is a guarantee. There’s no guarantee that Springer is still producing at an all star level two years from now. Fill RF with a competent player is all I’m asking for. The rest of the lineup is loaded assuming Vaughn is a capable DH. I’d like them to spend their limited resources on pitching both through free agency and trades.

How many teams have won a World Series of late by simply splurging in free agency? Even the Dodgers and their ridiculous team payroll was built around a great farm system and smart trades (they don’t land Mookie via trade without that deep system and insanely deep pockets).

Fine by me. Don’t really want any of the cheating Astros on this team anyway. Sign Joc or Brantley for two years and sign Colas or Cespedes as the future RF.

Was it that high? Wow, I checked a few times on Tuesday night and highest I saw was -450. But -800? Wow. MAGA suckers got burned. Love it

They were -450 Trump at one point on Tuesday night

All I heard before the election was how bad Biden/Democrats are for big tech due to anti-trust concerns. Suddenly, they’re in on the fix? Come on man, Trump is just spewing nonsense.

Those same poll workers apparently wanted the GOP to retain the Senate and pick up House seats from the Dems too. Lol