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Wow...Crede....where was this the last 5 innings?

Damn right...AJP AJP

Damn

2 on to start the inning....Yes, come on boys...wake em up

....come on Dye

QUOTE(Balance @ Aug 31, 2006 -> 03:51 PM) Tell us more about Gooch's relay throw. Objectively, did he have a chance to make a good throw to first and turn it? Because he sucks....A real pitcher disposes of those AAA hitters without even thinking. the only reason this thing is still 2-1 is because of the opponent, they suck too. Trouble is, this "gem" will convince Ozzie that Javy is about ready to turn the corner....

We got 4 innings to get 2 runs...lets do it. Vazquez is up to 99 pitches...hopefully he is out of here. We can win this game now.

What the hell is Ozzie doing? Cant wait till the 3 run homer by a .230 hitter

If tampa bay was any good Vazquez would be out of this game...he throws at least 2 meatballs an inning. We need to unload him in the off-season.

oh screw it

Everything is in place for Vazquez to actually get through this inning...he is facing the worst part of their order. after the leadoff guy at .260, nothing but sub .243 hitters

QUOTE(Soxbadger @ Aug 31, 2006 -> 03:38 PM) When Javy turns around, which he will because he has all the talent just needs to get more comfortable in his surroundings, I dont want to see a bunch of Sox fans start to cheer him like Dye, Garland, Thome, and the rest. f***ing man up, if you dislike a player dont f***ing change as soon as he gets over the bad parts. Javy had a hell of a first 2 months, and has had trouble. There are plenty of reasons for it, but in the end, I would rather have Javy out there than most teams sp's. So Im going to support him because I know he has the capability. But you can go ahead, tell me about Jeremy Reed and how KW got fleeced for giving him up. Or maybe about Borchard, how could the Sox think Thorton would turn around. We were losers with Contreras he was terrible for the half a year. It takes time. Balderdash...Javy cashed in on at least 3 gems against Kansas freaking City, who wasnt even a major league team at the time...he had another couple good games against Cleve and StLouis and the rest was nothing but average at best and a lot of horrible. I could care less about Reed or the other prospects....we needed Garcia at the time. I don't care that we gave up WHOEVER...I care we went after this bum. You would rather have this guy than most SPs? LMMFAO... And he does not have the capability...everyone in the world knows it. His few moments to shine he has imploded like a dead dog.

QUOTE(Friend of Nordhagen @ Aug 31, 2006 -> 03:37 PM) Nope. He comes out now. Indeed. He did his 5 innings...no need to test fate.

QUOTE(fathom @ Aug 31, 2006 -> 03:35 PM) I'm thrilled with them winning 2 out of 3. Did anyone really expect De La Rosa to defeat Johan? Yea really....Taking 2 of 3 in the tinker dome is good work by KC...a loss by them may help our cause as they wont come in acting all big and bad.

the problem with Vazquez has nothing to do with stats its that he just isnt that good. He is a mediocre pitcher...his curve ball is so bad its almost not even a pitch, his slider is inconsistent at best....he either hangs crappy pitches or he simply misses location on what would otherwise be good pitches....On top of that, he has no mental toughness, no courage, no guts...he is a headcase who isn't a very good pitcher... If you think he's a good pitcher, fine have at it...I think he's terribly over-rated and over-paid.

Good lord

QUOTE(SleepyWhiteSox @ Aug 31, 2006 -> 03:23 PM) Exactly...still would rather have kept young, but you gotta give him credit for only giving up 1 after Crede missed that one...if it were Garland, it would have been 3 more pages of praise for getting out of that with minimal damage... Yea, because Garland has done it time and time again...Garland hasn't gotten 9 runs of support like this guy...Garland is 16-4 with a sub 4 era in his last 13 starts....Garland has won titles....Garland can make it through lineups more than twice....Garland has STARTED winning streaks....Garland has STOPPED losing streaks...Garland is getting paid LESS...Garland was acquired for LESS....Diminishing returns be damned. To compare Javier Vazquez with Jon Garland is beyond hilarious...without Garland we'd be out of this race....Vazquez has single-handedly given back momentum Garland has given us TIME AND TIME again...go look it up...go to each of Jon Garland's wins and find out HOW MANY TIMES Vazquez (who is behind him in the rotation) has FOLLOWED UP Garland with a win. And find out how many times Vazquez has blown a winning streak. The jury is out on this guy...we got done over a barrell over this over-priced stiff

QUOTE(daa84 @ Aug 31, 2006 -> 03:22 PM) you think the 88 mph fastball 2006 version of freddy can take is into a 1-0 world series clincher? hell no Ok then, they are both equally worthless.

QUOTE(Soxbadger @ Aug 31, 2006 -> 03:20 PM) Unlike most fans I just dont trash players for no reason. LMAO...No reason at all....None, Javier Vazquez is so worth everything he is getting paid and all that we gave up. Forget Chris Young...I wouldnt have even given up Vizciano and El Duque for him....he stinks.

QUOTE(SoxFan562004 @ Aug 31, 2006 -> 03:20 PM) close call, but I'd take Freddy Me too...Vazquez is a loser...Freddy isn't. Freddy may be a jerk calling his teammates out, but does ANYONE think IN ANY UNIVERSE Vazquez could pitch us to a 1-0 world series clincher? Hell no...the guy sucks and we gave up a boatload for him.

QUOTE(fathom @ Aug 31, 2006 -> 03:18 PM) Is it too much to ask for our 12 million dollar pitcher to actually pick us up one game, and not be "the rally kller?" No...its not too much too ask...but he sure as hell does it.

No matter what happens here, Vazquez should be done in this game. We will win if we get him out in a 1-1 game.

QUOTE(G&T @ Aug 31, 2006 -> 03:15 PM) BMac up in the pen. thank god....get his ass in here

Someone watching this game....is the pen up?????

I am sick to my stomach we gave up ANYTHING to get this stiff...let alone a solid righty pen guy, a starter no damn worse then him, and one of our top prospects in all of baseball. Pathetic. Pathetic.