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QUOTE(Kalapse @ Dec 5, 2007 -> 10:42 AM) If the money were the same -- which I think it could be -- I'd much rather have Andruw Jones over Rowand. You honestly think Bora$$ is going to take the same amount of money for Jones as Rowand will get? Honestly, I want neither (unless the price was well right, which it won't be). This team needs more than a damn CF to compete with Detroit, Cleve, Boston, LAA, NY, etc...

Os wont deal Bedard for Kemp and a piece they don't really need (Broxton). Bedard gets the Os 3 top prospects, nothing less. He's a dynamic lefty pitcher and could return more than Broxton and Kemp.

QUOTE(Balta1701 @ Dec 4, 2007 -> 08:35 PM) Yeah, we need some freaking fireballers in our bullpen. I'm sick of this weak armed stuff, that killed us in 2006. Let's go into 2007 with our bullpen able to throw some serious heat! Oh wait, sorry, that post got lost in the internet for a year. If the kid has talent, then it's a good idea, but just because he throws fire doesn't mean he's a guaranteed success story. Good point...Ehren Wasserman was a vastly superior pitcher to both Nick massett and Dave Aardsma last year and throws about 5 miles less than Massett and close to 10 miles per hour less than Aardsam. Wasserman's trick? He could actually get people out.

QUOTE(IowaSoxFan @ Dec 5, 2007 -> 10:23 AM) I still think you hold on to Crede and Fields and move whichever of Thome or Konerko that you can and shift Fields to 1B. Then you can deal Crede in the summer after he has an opportunity to establish himself. I actually think this is a pretty good idea. Crede's value will never be lower than right now. Fields probably would make a good first baseman, in time better than PK and moving Josh to first softens the blow of dealing a potential future first baseman in Carter. Thome has a rigid NTC however, so moving him would be tough (and the one team he'd wave for-Cleveland-we'd probably have difficulty getting a deal done with). Paulie probably is the most valuable on the market right now from our perspective.

QUOTE(Jenks Heat @ Dec 5, 2007 -> 10:21 AM) Sign Fukodome and either Jones/Rowand or blow the whole damn thing up. Fukodome is out.

Well scratch Fukudome off the list...he's narrowed his list to two or three teams NOT named the White Sox And Jason bay may end up in Cleveland...The winter meetings just keep getting better and better.

You mean resigning Uribe wasn't enough?

After hearing Boston may get Santana WITHOUT giving up either Ellsbury or Bulcholz makes me wonder if baseball isn't just a big racket now. I am fine with a philosophical change. No way we beat Detroit next year and no way we beat Boston either. There isn't ANYTHING that can be done to put us in the same stratosphere with those two teams. That said, we should just retool with young players...go out next year and win 75 games (which we'll do anyway) and at least build for the future. By the time the young guys are ready to challange Detroit and Boston would have 'run their course'. Right now, I have positively no hope there will be post-season baseball in Chicago's southside next year.

QUOTE(daa84 @ Dec 4, 2007 -> 09:24 PM) so is steve phillips just a moron or is this thing gonna happen? You have to ask?

QUOTE(That funky motion @ Dec 4, 2007 -> 06:36 PM) What if it wasn't as close as everybody thought, and Kenny drove up the price for Detroit. Nothing but conjecture. Even if Williams did drive up the price, Detroit probably doesn't care...they now have one of the games elite hitters.

QUOTE(southsideirish71 @ Dec 4, 2007 -> 06:33 PM) 3 more f***ing wins gets us out of the top 3 in the 08 draft. Now our rotten minor league system cant get us s*** because its so barren. 90 losses might be something we see for a while on the southside. DING!!!! This is what the Sox have always done...always good enough to avoid getting great players. The Bears could easily go 4-12 this year and get a stud pick, but Devin Hester will return 12 TDs and the Bears will crawl to the 16th overall with an 8-8 record. Why are the Blackhawks getting good? Because they sucked so bad for so long, now some of those elite draft picks are starting to make an impact. I don't want to suck, but if the season is a lost cause, tank the sucker and rebuild.

QUOTE(CanOfCorn @ Dec 4, 2007 -> 06:28 PM) *whispering* Should we tell him?

QUOTE(Gregory Pratt @ Dec 4, 2007 -> 06:22 PM) That's a really funny sentence -- "Your rivals have traded for Miguel Cabrera -- who you gonna call? CHRIS BURKE!" Maybe we should bring in WIDGER Heheh...that was kinda my point to be a funny jackass. I'm kinda like the rest, just frustrated we couldn't get a deal done, but the other people have more talent to part with than we do.

QUOTE(Balta1701 @ Dec 4, 2007 -> 06:21 PM) It could well be great for them winning another title. But it's certainly no guarantee like so many people here seem to think it is. Why is it that if the White Sox acquired D-Train for 1/2 of its farm system, we'd have people whining about how KW acquired a pitcher near FA who put up a >5 ERA last year in the weak NL, but this Tigers team is going to dominate with him!!! I don't think anyone is scare of Willis...it's Miggy they are scared of. Dontrelle becomes a middle of the rotation, maybe 4th starter for the Toilet now...much less expectations than being the ace he was tabbed to be 2 years ago. He'll suck in the AL next year...he's a one trick pony, has medicore at best secondary stuff and is going to the American league (although his home games are very pitcher friendly).

Detroit getting Miggy Cabrera means KW definately needs to get Chris Burke now.

QUOTE(bigruss22 @ Dec 4, 2007 -> 06:14 PM) I hate living near Detroit now that the Tigers are good, and kickin' our arses. Tigers - check Lions - swept the Bears check Red Wings - despite the 4-0 mark over the past 10 years an easy check feel free to add the NBA if one desires (i dont)

QUOTE(Tony82087 @ Dec 4, 2007 -> 06:10 PM) That farm system is completely ripped apart now. At least they had one to rip apart to get a deal like this done. Our bad minors have now costed us one of the games greatest hitters. People think those of us who want a great minors are just hoping those guys develop...NO, you have a great system to deal those guys for players like Miggy. It's sorta how we put together the 2005 team, dealing off prospects for established talent.

QUOTE(southsideirish71 @ Dec 4, 2007 -> 06:09 PM) Well start to unload then. Because we are not competing with that lineup for the next few years. Not just their lineup, but their pitching is vastly superior to our own. I still wonder if we have the pitching to finish in the top of the division even with Miggy. I can see a lot of 8-7 games...when Mark or Javy pitches probably good, but who the hell after that? Can Buehrle and Javy pitch on 2 days rest?

QUOTE(Dick Allen @ Dec 4, 2007 -> 06:00 PM) According to Rotoworld, Miggy and Willis are headed to Detroit for Maybin, Miller and 4 prospects. good god...Maybin and Miller are studs...then they add 4 more spects to the deal. Geesh...had our minor league system not been such crap, we'd maybe could have gotten him...NOW? We'll have to compete against him. The worm just turned

Guys. I'm just not buying this. I'm hearing it will take all 4 of those players mentioned... ok Fields...Love him, but Miggy is 20x the hitter Josh is Gio...great spect, but we've dealt him before and he repeated AA Danks...shoot, i love his moxie, but he's not the next Steve Carlton Floyd...lol...IF YA insist Only Danks would be a net loss to next years team (as he was expecting to be in the rotation) and the loss of Fields is easily taken care of by the addition of Miggy Losing Gio MAY or MAY NOT affect this franchise in 2009 and while he did ok down the stretch no one here will cry about moving Gavin Floyd.

I can't imagine we could get this done...no way no how. I can't imagine other teams can't easily eclipsed what the Sox are offering. I'd ... if we could get Cabrera for Fields, Gio, and Floyd. Adding Danks in there instead of Floyd is tough to swallow, but probably still a worthy move.

QUOTE(DBAH0 @ Dec 4, 2007 -> 05:41 PM) Well obviously he has to show that he's healthy. I guess it also depends on what type of free agent ranking he is next off-season, and what compensation he'll get for the team that loses him (I don't know off the top of my head). I think there'll be a decent market for him though. Problem is, we saw what J.Dye brought even with good compensation, good health, and was playing well. Boston was going to throw us a couple dog bones. Crede is a guy that if traded should be traded in the off-season while teams try to fill holes. He's not the quntisential "big bat" teams are routinely looking for at the trading deadline. You saw what a solid, innings eating, and winning pitcher gets you on a contract year? An aging guy also in a contract year. And Garland was much more healthy than Crede. We will get nothing more than what Garland got...either a steady veteran guy heading toward F/A himself or maybe a decent prospect or two lower minors bums.

QUOTE(DBAH0 @ Dec 4, 2007 -> 05:20 PM) There was an article about a week or 2 ago that linked Garland to the Brewers, and the Brew Crew would give up a 3B spect who recently won the MVP in the Hawaiian Winter League (can't remember his name). Maybe the Sox could target an OF who could play CF, but won't be starting for the Brewers at the moment, Gwynn maybe? But I think it's a good fit for both teams, the Sox could always use the prospects in a Crede deal, and try to ship them elsewhere in a bigger package. Really, how many spects will we get for Crede? He's coming off major back issues, heading into his final year as a Boras client. Per usual, we are now dealing (or trying to deal) a player WELL AFTER the peak market value for him has come and gone. We'll be lucky to get much for Joe. Not that I don't think he's a fine ball player, but this is easily the worst of all possible times to deal him since he was in A ball. Now genuis Kenny Williams is shopping him. ... this is almost as bad as Williams peddling Count during the ASB last year when he was pitching just so bad that one could have argued he should have been DFAd.

Burke can play 2nd base and CF, our two most tenious positions at this time. Burke can also run really well. At the very least he plays against every lefty we face and some righties. Houston didn't work him right and Burke is a classic 'change of scenary' guy. He is also young with tools. If KW can pull Burke for one of those scrub relievers it would be a major win, far better than The Quentin deal, whcih I think was a solid move.

QUOTE(BearSox @ Dec 3, 2007 -> 05:37 PM) Quentin has that arm and D to play RF, right Yes, rates above average on all counts. He also makes tough plays look routine with great instincts, angles, and positioning. We'll be fine with this guy...he has oooodles of potential and has proven he can hit major league pitching in short stints. Last year was a wash because he was injured. A winner of a deal, because we didn't have to part with pitching prospects for him.