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QUOTE (chitownsportsfan @ Apr 11, 2015 -> 12:25 PM) Avi...lol. He wouldn't have gotten there with a perfect route but hah. Farmer and DJ disagree with you...called it the banana route. Complete misread.

Viciedo 2012 def >>> Garcia

QUOTE (elrockinMT @ Apr 11, 2015 -> 10:44 AM) Cooper has been with this team a long time. I do understand the groundball type pitcher in relief as we are looking at the Cell being a flyball HR type park. Hit it into the ground and hope for a DP. I don't see any issues myself with who we have in the pen. We have guys who can get the strike out and guys who can get the GIDP when needed. If we look at just the last four games you really have to say that all pitchers have failed and so has the offense. I admit I was a bit concerned with the late spring training displays by our pitchers. It seemed for awhile there and then in the opener we were always giving up ten runs. I am confident things will get better Other than Sale or Samardzija getting hurt or Verlander coming off the DL and throwing a no-hitter, against us, its's quite hard to imagine things getting a whole lot worse than they already are....knock on wood.

Or look at all the rookies on the 2012 roster. How many are still on major league rosters today? Quintana Humber Leyson Septimo Addison Reed Jhan Marinez Pedro Hernandez Dylan Axelrod Zach Stewart Brian Omogrosso Deunte Heath Hector Santiago Nate Jones Donnie Veal Obviously, Humber wasnt a rookie....included as an example of a fix that didnt hold that Cooper coaxed a no-hitter out of nevertheless. Other than Q, Reed, Jones and Santiago...pretty much all roster filler, at best.

http://www.baseballprospectus.com/odds/ind...gs_sort=adjppct Maybe this will make you feel better...

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Apr 11, 2015 -> 06:28 AM) LMAO. And your Nolan Ryan reference totally contradicts the rest of your post. Explain if Robin is so emotionless, how he went after Nolan Ryan. He felt he had no choice, but didnt exactly wholeheartedly charge either...he was hesitant at first.

QUOTE (Y2HH @ Apr 10, 2015 -> 09:37 AM) Once again, the cops shouldn't go to jail OR lose their jobs if the investigation shows that they didn't treat anyone differently while on the job, despite these text messages. This should be very easy to prove based on arrest records, violations, complaints against them, etc. In such a case, perhaps another form of punishment is in order, short of ruining their lives over being stupid. Call me crazy, but I kind of like giving people second or even third chances when it comes to them being stupid or out of touch so long as it didn't harm anyone. Perhaps some sort of counseling or community service? HOWEVER, IF the investigation shows these texts were more than a group of guys being stupid, and they treated people of color while the job much the same as depicted in these texts, then and only then do I agree they should lose their jobs. As for your first question...yes, I expect this of you, because you've repeatedly tried/convicted and/or fired people without allowing due process or the proper investigation to occur, and interestingly enough, you're doing it again right now. OR, I may very well be confusing you with someone else on here, and if that's the case, I apologize. The second question is quite loaded...you don't need to know everything about a person to "know them" based on some posts here. For example, you know me well enough to know I'm an asshole, and you can tell as much based on my posts. EDIT: I've been stupid plenty of times in my life, especially when I was younger...I've said stupid things and I've done stupid things...but I was given the chance to grow up and wise up, without having my life ruined due to those stupid things. Hell, I've said plenty of stupid things right here on this message board...and depending on the reader, they could easily come to the conclusion I'm a number of terrible things...none of which are true, but I wouldn't blame them for coming to such a conclusion based on the information they have. I just wouldn't want to be convicted of any of it without them actually knowing more about me than what they read in a few posts that could easily be taken out of context. Heres the problem...lets say theres a pattern that shows up....that theyre five times more likely to arrest or testify in a trial against minority defendants than white/caucasian. Lets say the police force in general is three times more likely....so in their cases, theres an increase of 67%. Who's to determine the bar/standard/benchmark that crosses the line into fireable offense territory? Does it matter if the policed community is 12.5% African American or 33% or 50%? Theres a clear pattern of racial profiling across the country...but when does it veer into a civil rights violation/abuse of power?

Probably closer to 10-12%

QUOTE (kitekrazy @ Apr 10, 2015 -> 10:36 PM) Ever get this strange feeling Beckham is going to be a starter again? It better be Davidson, although his stats might approximate Olt with the Cubbies last year.

Royals now 4-0 too...bullpen unscored upon and Morales' bat coming around. Passed on both Ethier ($25-35 million subsidy) and Yasmani Tomas for Kendrys. Best start since 8-0 or 9-0 in 2003 (we believe/nosotros creemos year with Tony Pena and Jose Lima Time).

QUOTE (chitownsportsfan @ Apr 10, 2015 -> 10:01 PM) I keep thinking back to Robin's comments about "I'm only managing kinda as a favor" or whatever the hell he said but it just seems to me the team is under prepared. There was a clip of Ventura on mic'ed up MLB network I watched and granted it was spring but what I took was that guys feel a little TOO comfy around him. Eaton especially. One way or another, things will shake out over the next couple months with Robin. Imagine Eaton trying to pull that shi- with Pudge Fisk back in the day.

QUOTE (kitekrazy @ Apr 10, 2015 -> 09:59 PM) I don't think that will ever change until many people in the organization are gone or the team sold and gutted out. They went through phases of drafting athletes instead of baseball players. They try to turn those athletes into 1st basemen or a DH. They never give up on guys who can't catch a baseball and try to make them play in positions where defense is exposed. The philosophy seems to be the same. I'm amazed at organizations like the Cardinals who can let a Puljols go and still win. Some people just get tired of seeing the same movie with different actors. Those are probably your season ticket holders. Or the KW stated philosophy of power hitters/big offensive numbers like 2000-2004 drawing more fans than Royals or even Ozzie Ball. The defensive inadequacies of our current roster...patently obvious. Avisail's raw tools are off the charts but he still cant execute a fairly simple throw that should have cut down a runner at home in the early going.

Marcus Semien 6/16 and almost out RBIing the whole Sox team with 5 already.

QUOTE (chitownsportsfan @ Apr 10, 2015 -> 09:44 PM) Indeed. Boston 20-29 at the end of May last year with a roster many predicted to contend. Blew it all up in July. I really hope the Sox can turn it around but man it's just a s*** start. And let's not kid ourselves this is an awful 0-4 as well. They haven't really been in a single game late and many of the gaffes we've seen are eerily familiar of the last few Sox teams. Just not good fundamental baseball. Forget the fancy stuff just don't get TOOTBLANN'ed every other inning and throw the ball all over the diamond. And try and tag down 5 runs in the bottom of the 9th. I hope "work in progress" Micah Johnson doesnt become a victim of the "win now" mentality and be sacrificed/scapegoated ala Brian Anderson in 2006. Despite the baserunning gaffes, hes basically held his own. And at least he has Vince Coleman around him to go over mistakes related to overaggressiveness. I continue to believe the heart of the team should be the catcher, and thats one of our biggest weaknesses. AJ was a leader...guys like Russell Martin, Posey, Sal Perez, Yadi Molina, Wieters, McCann, etc. Has to be addressed. Although I doubt they would be willing to take on Saltys bad deal....Hahn isnt in desperation mode YET.

QUOTE (chitownsportsfan @ Apr 10, 2015 -> 09:17 PM) There's nothing good in this data. Yea, it's a selection bias and you'd find stuff like teams that went 2-9 or 1-8 that made the playoffs but the thing is: USUALLY TEAMS THAT START 0-4 ARE s***TY. PERIOD. Maybe this team is different but right now? Doesn't look good. It's late early and they are already 4 back in the division on April 10th. Not good man. Put it this way: if they were 4-0 and were winning as big as they are losing now -- would you start printing playoff tickets? Of course not, but you'd sure as s*** consider the possibility that this is a playoff team. I think we sure as s*** better consider the possibility that this is a 75 win team. F*** Everyone knows slow starts are magnified. Look no further than the Red Sox and Rays over the last 3-4 seasons. You cant win a pennant in April, but you can definitely lose one, with 2011 being the most recent example with the bullpen struggles...or 2013 to a lesser extent. And speaking of the pen, Hector Santiago is outpitching our top two guys against the Royals tonight. Oops jinxed Hector, Cain just got the go-ahead single to drive in Escobar. By the way, the Angels are overrated...that offense is at least one big bat short.

Another way would be to look at the final record of all teams starting 0-4. It wouldnt be a pretty picture. For example, in 2000, 75% of the playoff teams started 2-2 (White Sox among them) and two (Cards and Mariners) were 3-1 starters. So now it's three of the last 126 playoff teams...2.4%

QUOTE (SCCWS @ Apr 10, 2015 -> 08:22 PM) Your research leaves out some very important pieces of data. How many teams that started 0-4 without pitching their ace failed to make the playoffs. Also, of the teams that started 0-4, what was the home/away makeup of those games. For example, an 0-4 team at home vs an 0-4 team away. A sampling of 4 games is too small to make any conclusion. For example in 2011 when Tampa Bay started 0-6, they also started that season with their best player, Longoria on the 15 day DL. We can parse that statistics all we want, but the last 118 playoff teams going back all the way to 2001 is a pretty big swath. If you looked at teams in the 50s, 60s or 70s, that would be invalidated by the fact there were fewer teams...on the other hand, fewer playoff spots (like 1967) so perhaps a statistician could correct for all these issues better than i.

QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Apr 10, 2015 -> 04:45 AM) Ozzie quit mid season Lets just say he and Cora fired themselves to head for perceived greener pastures in Miami.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Apr 10, 2015 -> 06:24 PM) 2012 the were in cmtention until the last week. They weren't supposed to be good. The last 2 years, blaming him is silly. If you have bad players, you lose games. Cox, LaRussa, and Torree all went to the HOF last year. They all have had bad years because of bad players. See what happens this year with Robin. Basing it on 4 games is like judging a prospect after 10 AB. People are freaking out, but when teams don't hit, they look bad, and they have only scored more than 1 once. They will come around. Payroll in 2012? Its a little bit of selective revisionism to say there was no talent and that he almost singlehandedly led the Bad News Bears to the postseason miraculously. Those managers all reached the playoffs multiple times and won their share of World Series titles, except Cox, who got Atl to playoffs...what, for 13-14 consecutive seasons?

No not a Sixto Rodriguez album. Building on a NESN article, I researched the last four years....so we have a complete picture of all MLB playoff teams since 2001. Only 3 of 118 teams have made the playoffs following an 0-4 start. 2011 Tampa Bay Rays...0-6/1-8 2011 Milwaukee Brewers...0-4/3-4 2012 Atlanta Braves...0-4/5-4 The 2003 Braves started 1-3/1-4, the 2007 Phillies 0-3/1-6, 2014 Orioles 1-3/1-4, 2012 SF Giants 1-3/1-4 and 2013 Pirates 1-3/1-5. Seven teams from 2011-2014 started 1-3 and still made the postseason. Historically speaking, now, the odds would suggest our chances are less than 3%. Exactly 2.54% to be more precise.

How bad would things have to get this year, though? Flavums' 9-18 through the first 27? 10 gb before the end of April?

QUOTE (fathom @ Apr 10, 2015 -> 05:08 PM) Here comes the Pearl Harbor threads It will be the biggest test of Ventura's managerial career since late 2012. Who knows if he's up to it or not? This does provide the media with even more opportunities to bring up "Rodon to the Rescue" scenario. There's that. And Lets not forget The Twinkies were late coming to Chicago after that big rain delay yesterday in Detroit.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Apr 10, 2015 -> 05:04 PM) Cooper did a helluva job with the pitching staff. And firing him will result in the 1983 White Sox pitching staff (or even 2005) returning?...can him right now! Put Gordon Beckham in the White Sox Hall of Fame while we're at it.

QUOTE (shysocks @ Apr 10, 2015 -> 05:02 PM) Nice block by Flowers.=D Flowers has been atrocious so far defensively. What happened?

How bad are the boobirds about right now? Samardzija and Sale need to stop the bleeding or there will really be blood in the water. Hard to imagine a more horrific start.