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QUOTE (LDF @ Nov 14, 2014 -> 06:01 AM) you may be right but I don't agree. Murphy is a young prospects, is he rated no, is there a chance he will not make a productive career, yes. yet is this a fair compensation for a AS SS, good glove, nice real nice bat and cost control for 2 yrs with an option of a third. teams play a lot for players who are in the final yr of there contract to help the team out. Alexei will most assuredly be helping the yank while the yanks find a replacement. 2015 and then affordable 2016 club option.

QUOTE (LDF @ Nov 14, 2014 -> 06:08 AM) especially if he going to make a trade. he is going to be very tough. to show he is not a push over to be taken advantage of. the problem is, he has no leverage to play hard ball. he has 3 outfielders contracts that is like an anchor around the dodgers neck. he has 2 prospect that should be starting. if he is going to play hard ball, then the dodgers should be prepare to buy out some contracts. Peterson definitely should be playing. Van Syke's probably more of a 4th although he would be playing a lot more for many teams.

Another reason that there's some concern about the White Sox not spending a lot of money this offseason is that idea we HAVE to find a LH bat and that's at the exclusion of players like Tomas or Moncada who could "blow up the budget."

Everyone in that Dodgers outfield other than Crawford seems to have "pouting/attitude" issues because they all want to play every single day.

https://us-mg204.mail.yahoo.com/neo/launch?...kdc0v#162121782 A.Ramirez for Shane Greene Shelby Miller for CarGo (you can probably forget the Rockies dealing him for John Danks if that's the asking price) Justin Upton for Johnny Cueto Cespedes (this makes a LOT of sense because Boston wants to trade him, and relationship with agents and Cano in SEA already) for Taijuan Walker or Paxton Starlin Castro for Zack Wheeler (Alexei Ramirez isn't quite enough to get Wheeler apparently)

QUOTE (Andy the Clown @ Nov 13, 2014 -> 04:47 PM) The notion that the deal would likely be short term makes me wonder if it is indeed us. By short-term, no less than 2 or most likely 3 years makes sense for the White Sox. Otherwise, it would end up being another Cespedes type of situation...although he really did inject some life back into that organization with the "shocking" signing and subsequent run of competitiveness. (Why they would leave $40-60 million on the table for an unproven player is beyond me, unless they're tremendously confident in his ability to earn even more down the line.)

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Nov 13, 2014 -> 04:33 PM) He is also not 19 years old and as much of a question. Except for being able to handle 3B. Everyone projects his bat to play (same things we heard about Dayan)...just where he ends up on the field (mostly likely corner OF to being with, 1B, DH). Pretty sure after experiences with Teahen and Viciedo the White Sox aren't going to risk another fiasco over there...although you could see the argument if it was between $100 million to Sandoval/Ramirez/Tomas and $30-40 million to Headley.

The Tigers must be desperate for someone who can cover CF to replace Austin Jackson defensively. That became a huge black hole for them in the last two months, outfield defense. http://www.freep.com/story/sports/mlb/tige...trade/18970609/ This nicely summarizes why the Tigers made the move, the limitations of Gose (against LHP, only .201), the fact that the prospect wasn't going to help them THIS year and the final scary possibility of them adding Melky Cabrera to give them a still quite affordable outfield of JD Martinez, Davis/Gose and Melky Cabrera. Apparently they're also considering trading Avila, whose father I'm pretty sure is still asst. GM to DD. http://www.freep.com/story/sports/mlb/tige...avila/18960851/ Good god, it would be crazy if they signed Russell Martin, too. While they would likely be history after 2016, that would come close to narrowing the White Sox window down to just 2017 and 2018 (if they can get enough starting pitching...and they still have Price this season, Verlander, Anibal Sanchez and Porcello...and of course a lot comes down to the health of those guys...losing Scherzer/Smyly and eventually Price hurts a LOT).

Royals were rumored to be looking at Erwin Santana and Torii Hunter. I think Tomas is a perfect DH fit for them to replace Butler, but maybe not an unproven guy for $100 million. Of course, he could also end up playing OF and they could do the revolving doors DH thing as well. If not Tomas, they should be in on Hunter, Michael Morse, Nelson Cruz...the latter two would be perfect fits for 2-3 year contracts to fit with the remainder of the Royals' contention window. Rios would be another option for RF, and his power was down to only 4 homers so he won't get much more than $8-10 million for three years. Not sure if that's really an upgrade over Aoki/Dyson in RF. They're unlikely to bring back M. Cabrera or Aoki.

Justin Gage?

QUOTE (IowaSoxFan @ Nov 12, 2014 -> 01:27 PM) Is Yoan Moncada worth two Micker Adolfo's? If the answer is yes, then make the deal. He's worth 5-10 Adolfo's, which are basically lottery tickets that usually don't turn out.

QUOTE (Eminor3rd @ Nov 12, 2014 -> 11:20 PM) Season ticket holders provide EIGHTY percent of the revenue? How? Because most teams have season ticket (guaranteed attendance) in the 8-22,000 range, with some quite a bit higher than the high teens/low 20's. That's already pre-ticket revenue for the entire season before they even open up the gates. If you go back over the last five seasons or so, you'll see that a significant walk-up attendance the day of the game is around 4-6,000 tickets (not counting other single game tickets sold). It might be 75/25 (season ticket to individual/day-of-game), but I'm willing to wager that's pretty close to the breakdown for revenues from ticket sales.

QUOTE (raBBit @ Nov 12, 2014 -> 10:00 PM) Gregorson built his track record in pitching parks and will be paid a premium. Soriano's FB% will put him out of Hahn's consideration. Romo has arm issues and lost velocity. I'd be interested im Jansen/K-Rod if the price is right. Hoachevar is the guy I want. Hochevar will be around $5 million, maybe two years $8.5-9 million. Or one of those options for 2016 based on appearances, like $5 million, then $7 million in 2016 with 65-70+ appearances, something attainable.

QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Nov 12, 2014 -> 11:14 AM) I think it is way too likely Sox and Dodgers match up. I even wonder if a deal goes as far as Sox getting an OF and one of the Dodgers maligned relievers + cash for Danks. I wouldn't be opposed to buying low on Wilson/League. Might even turn into something mega with legit prospect or two coming to the Sox as well along with Ramirez. Probably too complicated but again, see a lot of pieces that could make sense. Guerra and Belisario were maligned enough... League, MAYBE. But Wilson, not much interest. His performance really declined, as well as his velocity, in 2014.

QUOTE (greg775 @ Nov 12, 2014 -> 09:11 PM) I want a whole new bullpen next season. Miller sounds great. I will say this. Please please Mr. Hahn, before you make any offseason moves (and I hope you make TONS) please get your scouts together (without Buddy Bell) and discuss these guys (like Miller) and how you project them to play next season and seasons to come. Surely these scouts have opinions on CURRENT players as well as draft prospects. I mean I do blame the Sox for acquiring/signing stiffs like Keppinger and that starting pitcher whose name escapes me for last season (the guy who was a KC Royal) and Teahen and all the hacks who have sucked. If Andrew Miller projects to remain good, then sign him. If not, pass. Same with the other free agents. Don't just sign guys without PROJECTING. Paulino. By the way, Barry Zito's on the comeback trail. FIVE LEFTIES OR DEATH!

So to summarize....Soriano/Romo/Janssen depending on price, but better bets than investing a lot into a middle reliever like Gregerson whose numbers were put up halfway due to magical park effects in the NL, etc. (Maybe that's another reason to shy away from Romo as well.) Then you have the big debate about Miller, and whether he can morph into a LHP closer or not.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Nov 12, 2014 -> 08:22 PM) With as left-hand heavy as our lineup and org are, I'm not that worried about questionable splits. We've got a RH heavy lineup anyway, we've got 2 righties around as our middle infielders and they could certainly fill in the other side of a platoon. If we added a RH hitting OF to team with him, then basically I think we're set up to run out a deep roster that is pretty darn well balanced and it just requires Robin to actually use the guys in the right role. The biggest problem is that most of those RH bats aren't full-time outfielders and are more DH's...Torii Hunter, Michael Morse, Nelson Cruz, Billy Butler, etc. We can't be sure about Yasmani Tomas, other than that the White Sox aren't going to risk $100 million for an unproven RH corner outfielder who's more Viciedo than Puig/Cespedes/Moncada/R.Castillo. http://www.startribune.com/sports/twins/282360051.html If you go defense first for the outfield, then you have Rasmus, Rios...with arguments about Aoki and Denorfia. Not a pretty picture.

QUOTE (Lillian @ Nov 12, 2014 -> 07:45 PM) A couple of points: 1) If Martinez signed for 4 years, $68 Million, with the Tigers, it would have cost the Sox more. Didn't he indicate that he really wanted to return to Detroit, if they were close on their offer? 2) The Sox do not need just another left handed bat. They specifically need a MIDDLE OF THE ORDER, left handed bat. Therefore, names like Colby Rasmus do not qualify. Melky Cabrera, perhaps, but I'm not holding my breath. Then there's only LaRoche (and he has some questionable splits which will worsen with age), Melky Cabrera and Markakis, and Markakis isn't a middle of the order hitter, either. You absolutely don't pay Sandoval $100-120 million to be a DH, either. Maybe in 2-3 years of that 5-6 year deal, he would end up at DH, but he's not a true impact hitter (with the exception of the post-season) over the last 2-3 seasons. Someone like Heyward, at this point in his career, isn't even that right now...although in the beginning it felt like he would be a 3-4-5 guy for 15 years.

Soriano really tailed off last season....same with Janssen, if I remember correctly. That said, there's always a risk with closers. One year, Fernando Rodney's dominant and the next he couldn't close out an American Legion team without walking the bases loaded and throwing a wild pitch or hitting a batter. Brandon Morrow's another name to keep an eye on. Uehara, but he's probably passed his expiration date.

The only one of those that should be considered would be Ravelo, possibly. I wouldn't put Montas or Rondon there unless you had no choice, which I don't think is the case yet. Same with Anderson.

QUOTE (Brian @ Nov 12, 2014 -> 05:00 PM) Interstellar was good but not great. Really long and really lost me as it went along. Nolan needs to simplify things for jibronies like me. Just try reading the source material by physics professor Kip Thorne...I think he teaches at Cal Tech. Black Holes and something or other is the name of the book. I TRIED to read it, but English/History/Poly Sci people don't have much of a chance, although the book was supposed written for the "layman." Interstellar was very good, but it felt at least 30 minutes too long. It was Nolan striving to do a great movie and coming up just short, but definitely swinging for the fences and not playing it safe. Personally, I liked Inception more, but part of that was the cast. I also feel that it got bogged down a little bit in terms of simplifying the physics involved while still telling a compelling story...whereas a movie like Gravity simply was action/excitement and the human dialogue/back story part was lacking. Maybe this was the opposite...not quite enough action, too much set-up and back story. Still really enjoyable, even at around 2 hours and 45 minutes (meeting the Brian "value" threshold of a 2+ hour movie, haha). And it's a pretty intellectual movie...it makes you think and teases your brain as your try to follow the logic/sequencing of the movie, which is pretty linear compared to Inception but still dense.

There's no way the Mets are going to sign Hanley to play SS, not with Wright at 3B. Of course, Wright's also been on the decline, but I don't think Ramirez is an everyday SS, period. And getting him with the assumption Wright will be injured is a bit much, because then you're blocking Wright when he returns. As long as A. Cabrera, Lowrie and Drew are out there....maybe Marco Scutaro if he's healthy...the Mets aren't going to be forced to do something, not like the Yankees who have to make a big splash. And the Dodgers can always use Dee Gordon there (not to mention the two Cuban middle infielders they signed for a bit of coin).

Or you can easily see Montas getting pushed late in the season (ala Jenks in 2005) if the White Sox are within 5 games of first place around the All-Star break. Who nows, maybe Sanburn or Webb will figure things out in the meantime. There's also Guerra, who would have to be considered a better bet at closer than Putnam, who has 7th-8th inning set-up guy written all over him.

QUOTE (Lillian @ Nov 12, 2014 -> 06:32 PM) I don't see any other viable option to fill the need for a left handed, middle of the order bat. I'm now in favor of continuing to acquire young talent, and to target 2016 as the year to seriously contend. Let's see what they have in Garcia, Rodon and a couple of the young middle infielders, maybe even Wilkins. Then fill in the holes, in the next off season. That would mean that Hahn looks to the international market, to spend some of that money, burning a hole in his pocket. Might as well also trade Alexei, and get more youngsters. Sorry to be so negative, but I don't see how they put a contending team on the field this year. Even if they spend and extra $40 million, over last year, whom are they going to acquire, that would make them competitive for this season? The best fall-back option for a one year (or one year and an option) "placeholder" that provides upside (but could easily blow up) is Colby Rasmus in terms of LH bats. Cabrera will probably be too expensive, and the PEDs history and "contract year" offensive salary drive has to be another concern. If they miss on all their targets, they can STILL combine Rasmus, a Saunders/Viciedo trade, Eaton and Garcia and not blow their budget up before 2016. Then a Brett Anderson, Masterson or Volquez (one year and option/s) for the rotation and adding to the bullpen (Romo or Janssen) and you're at least at .500 and one more offseason away, with a decent chance of competing in 2015.

QUOTE (Eminor3rd @ Nov 12, 2014 -> 05:28 PM) Haha, if you're trying to project a rotation, and one of the slots is "?????????", it's probably not a strong argument against the strength of said rotation. In all fairness, that's a pretty decent description of the 3/4/5 spots in the current White Sox rotation, at least #5. Obviously Rodon's expected to change that, but Noesi's no more a sure thing than Meyer or May with the Twins.