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QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jun 10, 2012 -> 09:10 AM) Yeah, Nestor Molina. Whatever is right. You are making yourself look like an even bigger fool. And I don't think there is any link to Chris Sale returning to the rotation and Dunn, Rios, Konerko, Beckham, AJP and De Aza hitting well. None. Sale doesn't even appear in 80% of White Sox games. The link is Chris Sale is the best pitcher in the AL right now. Jose Contreras was the best pitcher in baseball as well in 2005-2006. You believe the White Sox can just trot out any minor league journeyman and would have won those those same starts...and had the same record, or a nearly identical one. If that was the case, the 2002-2004 White Sox just won three more AL Central championships thanks to your logic...because those teams had all the offense in the world and still lost to the Twins. How can you explain that, when the Twins were clearly inferior, and the White Sox were much better offensively in those years than they have been in 2012. If Chris Sale wasn't in the starting rotation still, the White Sox wouldn't be in first place and would still be a lot closer to rebuilding than adding pieces for the stretch drive. Who would you have started in those 5 games....this pitcher who was going to go 5-1 or 4-2? Should be an interesting answer.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jun 10, 2012 -> 08:30 AM) Again with Greg Walker. You do need help. Obviously Chris Sale is the reason the Sox started scoring runs. I'm agreeing with you. We'll just ignore April when they couldn't score at all and he was in the rotation. You're truly a baseball genius. Obfuscating again. So Nestor Molina would be 4-2 or 5-1 if he took Sale's starts, too? In your idea, yes. It's the same reason you're going to argue that the White Sox could have just trotted out any minor leaguer in August, September, October, April and May in 2005/2006 and won all of Jose Contrera's starts as well. You believe there's no link to who the starting pitcher is and how the team performs independently. I believe there's a synergy between the two. But whatever.

And Beckham's even showing flashes of returning to his previous glory. Crosses fingers.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jun 10, 2012 -> 08:16 AM) The answer to question 1, what does that matter now? Question 2, Yes they would. The Sox scored 6,6,4,2 and 10 runs in those starts. They didn't need shutouts, but I'll take the offense riding the inspiration of Chris Sale returning to the starting rotation as the reason they scored these runs. GMAB. You defintely are the Soxtalk version of Mitt Romney. As Frank says, no doubt about it. Just flip flop. Don't try to justify it with things that aren't connected. Coming from the same person who says there's no connection between the results of the offense and who the hitting coach is, then tries to act like Greg Walker miraculously transformed the Braves single-handedly from this offseason's sense of desolation, lol. The White Sox would be 3rd in the AL in runs scored if he was still the hitting coach, too. Sure. You can believe that if you want. It can't be proven to be true or false subjunctively. I'll believe that the White Sox play better when Chris Sale is on the mound, expect to win, and the results would have been dramatically different with any of our minor leaguers out there in his place. But I'll take the Romney comment as a compliment, since Bill Clinton was also commonly accused of the same thing and will go down as one of the most successful presidents in recent history. It's called adjusting your viewpoint/goals/expectations as a result of new evidence.

Jaime Garcia's out for 1-2 months for the Cardinals. +56 RS/RA differential but only a 30-29 record. Talk about Pythagorean not evening out. Crazy.

Well, Molina's given up 90 hits in 69 IP. That's not going to work, no matter how good his control is. Single, double, double, single, 3-0 now against the Barons...still batting in the 1st. 7 hits/15 AB's. ERA back up to 5.06 after getting down to 4.74 entering today.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jun 10, 2012 -> 05:28 AM) Can anyone give me a guess about how the Barons starting rotation shapes up right now? Trying to plan pitching matchups for when they visit Tennessee Next weekend, catch a game or maybe 2. Hernandez is out for now, and Wickswat is about to be dropped from the rotation. The past three nights, it has been Castro, Bayne and then Molina going Saturday night. Tuesday is an offday. If they stay on normal rest, Castro would be Tuesday and Molina Thursday. Theoretically, you could catch Simon Castro on Sunday at 4:00 p.m. No idea who they'd be starting Friday or Saturday, Sat would be Wickswat's turn, though, Friday, Hernandez's spot.

http://www.boxoffice.com/latest-news/2012-...-midnight-shows Prometheus expected to make $53.5 million for the weekend. Pretty successful start, will finish 2nd to Madagascar.

Well, you have to do it with Quintana. Volquez does have enough upside to make it worth it, and that allows you to dump Gavin Floyd if you want. It's a crapshoot. Floyd will get turned around eventually, the question is how long. Always tempting when a pitcher with Edinson's talent becomes available to test the "Coop will fix him" theory.

And it has taken KW about 12 years to find two good leadoff hitters, Pods and DeAza. Mitchell's a valuable commodity, especially if he can learn how to steal 20-30 bases. Pair him with Maybin, and you'd have the type of athletes who can cover the gaps defensively and plug the gaps offensively with doubles and triples. Pitching/speed/defense. That's what you need to win in PetCo, and examples like Clayton Richard prove it's fairly easy to find random pitchers who can record sub 4 ERA's in that graveyard. Volquez would be like Edwin Jackson, minus the expectation of being an ace or eating lots of innings. Last fully healthy season was 2008. Padres in the overall scheme of thing don't want to pay Carlos Quentin and Volquez anyway...they'd be much better off with Mitchell for six seasons.

The punchout on the previous AB for Danks was a joke though, the base umpire couldn't even see what happened with the shadows/light playing tricks on him. Tigers with 2 out rally in Cincy to take the lead in the top of the 8th. Double by Boesch, Cabrera walked intentionally, Fielder tattoos a Marshall pitch into CF and Boesch slides through the catcher on a very close play at the plate. Still, the Tiggers' bullpen is beatable this year, two more AB's for the Reds. Verlander with ND, threw a ton of pitches again.

White Sox just passed TOR for 3rd in AL runs scored again. 282-281. 4.78 RPG, on pace for 774 for the season.

19 homers and 45 RBI's for Dunn now on the season. .226

What's the record for most hits without a double/triple/homer? 14 singles now. At least they can't be blamed for swinging for the fences today.

QUOTE (IlliniKrush @ Jun 10, 2012 -> 05:54 AM) So they should sell each seat for a nickel, as it's worth more than a butt not in the seat. Well, the Cubs have some seats going for a penny, as do the Yankees. When you consider the person is more than likely going to buy a concession item of some sort, that nickel seat is worth a lot more than $0.00. Some of them are going to buy a souvenir item or pay for parking.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jun 9, 2012 -> 11:00 PM) At worse. 1 game worse which would leave them a half a game out clearly not the nowhere near first you claim and if you haven't noticed they are rebuilding. Sale should make you his agent. What was the record of White Sox 5th starters from 2001-2004? So Dylan Axelrod, Terry Doyle or Eric Stults was going to go 4-2? Really?

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jun 9, 2012 -> 10:18 PM) Yeah you're right Konerko,Dunn,De Aza, Viciedo and Beckham and Rios decided fo hit when Sale was returned to the rotation. No chance they would have hit otherwise. We should just ignore the thread you started earlier this season bashing 4 of these guys for not hitting when Sale was in the rotation. Once again, you believe we'd STILL be in first place had Chris Sale missed his last 5 starts and been posing as the closer instead? True/false? You believe the White Sox wouldn't be in rebuilding mode with Chris Sale in the bullpen for the entire season and foreseeable future?

QUOTE (Marty34 @ Jun 9, 2012 -> 09:29 PM) No, I don't think this is true. Wasn't your argument earlier in the season that if attendance fell to 1998 levels...or at least below 22,000 per game, that KW should be fired?

QUOTE (Marty34 @ Jun 9, 2012 -> 09:29 PM) No, I don't think this is true. What do you want to do now? Move Rios back to CF? Trade Viciedo? Name KW Executive of the Year in the AL up until this point in the 2012 season? After all, how amazing is it that the White Sox are tied for the AL lead in blown saves, can't win at home, can't win 1 run ballgames, can't win in extra innings, have used 4 closers already, have 3 starting pitchers with 5.3+ ERA's, have one player on pace for 300 K's, have gotten 1 homer from the entire left-side of the infield all season and are STILL in first place on June 9th? Their third best starting pitcher is a Colombian who maybe only 5-10% of SoxTalk even could identify about 2 months ago. Kenny Williams has has a stunning 12 homegrown players on his roster this year, tied for 2nd in all of MLB. They should be building a statue for him, yes?

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jun 9, 2012 -> 07:06 PM) So you're saying the White Sox hitters went on a hot streak because Sale remained in the starting rotation? How come they weren't hot when he was in the rotation earlier? Put down the bong. If the BAD 5th starter is condusive to bad offense, how do you explain the White Sox still winning and hitting with Floyd 5.38, Humber 5.68 and Danks 5.70? And the Sox hit pretty well during the time period you mentioned. If you have good hitters, you'll probably have a good offense. And more Greg Walker? Really? None of those pitchers were AS bad as the stats you're throwing out there three weeks later look. When's the last time Danks pitched? Why didn't you include Quintana in there, who has pitched more innings that Danks recently? Yes, I'm sure there was a psychological effect on the team knowing that Sale was going to be a part of the rotation again. When the team knows it has a chance to win nearly every game a starter's out there, it helps the offense to relax and not put so much pressure on themselves. You can argue all you want that the White Sox would have gone 4-1 and would still be in first place without Sale, but you should put down the bong yourself if you actually believe that's true. He was the best pitcher in the AL this past month, no way we could have replaced that. With Sale in the bullpen, 75% of the talk around here would still be about rebuilding. Now we have good hitters? Why weren't they good last year? Which is it?

Ramirez looks 10 years younger now that he is clean-shaven.

QUOTE (Marty34 @ Jun 9, 2012 -> 12:19 PM) What concerns you so much about attendance? Great, you're not concerned and I'm the only one, lol. Glad to see you're taking a more realistic view of this season and the financial profit/loss expectations. KW can't be fired, because no amount of attendance will be disappointing. Just remember that for the times during the rest of the season when the White Sox aren't in first place.

QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Jun 9, 2012 -> 11:37 AM) I have never had a problem admitting I was wrong caulfield. You are too busy writing posts where you argue your own and my case against you to notice when I do so. I'm saying that you are ripping mcneil for doing the same thing you do all the time. You pick a subject of interest within the team and spin it into a dramatic event. If you can find an instance where I do the same thing, please point it out so I can apologize for it. And again, I'm not telling you not to post. I just find it strange that you are getting angry at McNeil for doing it. Because Sale not being in the rotation in the future, at that time, WAS a dramatic event. Perhaps the most important one of the entire season. It necessitated one of the longest threads of the season here. I could find 20-30 articles from reputable baseball writers questioning the White Sox as well. It's not like I was the only one criticizing Williams. This McNeil article was written in the middle of one of the best strings this team has been on all season long, for what purpose? I don't think you can find a single comment in recent weeks where I have overreacted to anything, but you're welcome to point them out to me as well.

QUOTE (greg775 @ Jun 8, 2012 -> 09:52 PM) About right. Only the diehards. We're a first place team but the whole experience isn't worth the cost in this economy. The weather was great, so that's no excuse. Probably the dynamic pricing again, the fact that almost nobody in America knows any players on the Astros' roster, the fact that confidence wasn't very high with Gavin Floyd going. We'll see what kinds of crowds we draw Sat and Sunday, especially tmrw afternoon. If we're not 25-30,000 for Chris Sale with a first place team in June, there's something seriously wrong.