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QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ May 30, 2012 -> 01:23 PM) so can anyone explain to me why Quintana is throwing at someone, while winning the game The unwritten code of baseball. Obviously it was intentional, Zobrist was the one involved in the spiking yesterday with AJ. There's just no reason not to at least issue a warning first. Wegner has a Napoleon Complex, big-time.

They better throw out any Rays pitcher for any pitch that comes halfway close to any Sox batters for the rest of this game. Well, luckily we have the off day for our bullpen. But Greg gets his wish, payback for our two hit batters in this game. Which was directly related to the AJ spike of Zobrist. Ventura kicked out of the game, too.

Payback for the AJ Pierzynski spike. Well, there's Greg's revenge. AJ thrown out of the game? Zobrist was the one who was spiked...then they throw behind Zobrist? This was a really really dumb move...doesn't make any sense. Nathan Jones will be in the game. Should have at least issued a warning there.

Wow. Right handed batters are 1/24 on the season so far against Quintana. Bizarre. 0.042 average.

Bad luck there for Paulie. Was hitting .421 with RISP. Josh Hamilton's in .360's, Jeter nearly 30 points behind him. Nearly a 50 point spread between Konerko and 3rd place. White Sox have threatened to score in every inning this game. Unfortunately, didn't push across at least 2 in the second, but didn't really deserve one in the first so we actually should be up 4-1, realistically.

Revenge for Ben Zobrist and the spike yesterday. Not exactly wise to do that in front of Viciedo, though.

Rios with a ringing double. Royals came back to take the lead against the Indians 5-3.

Leave the bases loaded with no outs, momentum ALWAYS shifts. One of the inexorable laws of baseball.

Well, that sucks...

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ May 30, 2012 -> 12:22 PM) Yeah, he could easily be over .300 with a little of Konerko's luck. I think those "robbed" home runs made both Beckham and Rios MAD.

Only 3 Colombians in MLB today. O-Cabrera and Edgar Renteria the two most famous ones in history...as well as Edgar's brother.

25 RBI's by Alex Rios now. White Sox taking advantage of nearly every break they get these days. Two plays that should/could have been made there.

In this day of modern transportation and instantaneous delivery, how could Konerko go for 3 games with all of his own personal bats still left back in Chicago?

Sox have refused to go with their alternative black road jerseys out of "good luck" suspicion so far during this streak. Dave Wills complaining the Rays don't have their best weapon against LHP, Jeff Keppinger, available to play.

QUOTE (Jake @ May 30, 2012 -> 11:56 AM) Josh Fields and Joe Borchard really both got pretty legitimate shots to be MLB regulars and floundered in those chances. Fields had a nice run for a while until they found out he couldn't hit a fastball. I feared for a bit that DV may have been having a Fields-esque run with his struggles hitting fastballs for the early part of the season and even the early part of his hot streak. Glad to say Dayan has been covering the fastball well by going the opposite way, something Fields was never capable of. Enough about that though. Those players were clearly too one dimensional to make it once we saw them in the MLB. Anderson was certainly NOT mentally tough. My issue with Ozzie was that (at least with information we have as fans) he didn't develop him properly. Knowing that he was a bit sensitive to the frequent benchings should have motivated Ozzie to give him regular playing time, but Ozzie was insistent on punishing him for poor play. I think Ozzie didn't like how BA spent his free time and that's fine, but he held it against him when it came to playing time. In that important developmental time I would have liked to see a manager literally baby a player like that, so that he can get some success under his belt and possibly deal with adversity in the future. From what we know it seems that Ozzie interacted with him very little and didn't give him any consistent playing time. He needed to do one of those two things. I know this is speculative and that's how it has to be since we are limited in info and we can't predict what would have happened had things changed. What we do know is that Brian hated hitting so much after leaving the White Sox that he became a pitcher. Maybe that type of attitude was unavoidable, but I like to think that a good coach could have at the least kept him from (more or less) leaving baseball. Think of this year so far and how rarely Robin has given time off to Gordon and Brent Morel. Brent was by far the worst player in baseball and wasn't getting benched until he needed to for injury. We are seeing that confidence paying off in the case of Gordon. Where was Greg Walker in all this? Except then we're back in the 1) in 2005-06, we weren't anywhere close to "rebuilding" and 2) before Orlando Hudson, there was no other option for the manager to play (Escobar and Lillibridge showed zero signs of life offensively), just like KW's the one responsible for giving up (in a way) on Anderson by acquiring Mackowiak and going away from the "one hitter in the line-up doesn't matter when the other 8 guys are hitting so well and he's playing such good defense" response to why they were sticking with BA in spite of his offensive woes.

QUOTE (Jake @ May 30, 2012 -> 08:09 AM) Regarding Caulfield's post, I'm going to go ahead and err on the side of Ozzie not having actual vendettas against young players. I think he was just a poor talent evaluator. I'm guessing that his personal philosophy values experience too highly and it made him almost unwittingly hold back young players. The player that I still think he completely f***ed over was Brian Anderson. He had a horrid first half in that first season as a starter, but his second half was getting much better. Ozzie, though, was insistent on playing Rob Mackowiak at least 3 times a week. Anderson spent the entire season never getting more than 2-3 starts in a row and I can only imagine how hard it is to find an offensive rhythm or stay consistent with anything you're working on when you are habitually missing 30% of your at bats. Even so, the kid batted .250 in that second half but never was seen as a real full time option ever again. Now he's 31 which seems crazy because I still think of him as a young guy... And the counter-argument will always be, what did Brian Anderson or Josh Fields or Joe Borchard or whoever do after they left the White Sox? If Ozzie ruined them so easily, what does that say about their mental fortitude to make it as big league ballplayers? Wouldn't at least some of those guys be able to make an impact, if only in a Ryan Sweeney-esque, 4th outfielder kind of way? Won't it be argued that BECAUSE Dayan was protected so much from adverse pitching match-ups against tough RHPers, it helped his career somehow?

QUOTE (kev211 @ May 30, 2012 -> 03:58 AM) I love how what you posted has nothing to do with the article you linked. The argument is that the Cubs can get away without promoting Rizzo or Brett Jackson right away, but that the Sox would need them for attendance purposes or building excitement/enthusiasm about the team. But the White Sox held off promoting Viciedo for most of 2011, even when there was a clear need for his bat. The opposite premise is more the truth...the White Sox can't afford to promote phenoms usually because their growing pains will inhibit the team's ability to compete in a "win now/all in" environment.

QUOTE (ScottyDo @ May 30, 2012 -> 08:40 AM) I'm sure this has been answered before, but has Viciedo officially lost his Rookie status for this season? yep, 50 IP or 130 at-bats usually

http://www.suntimes.com/sports/cowley/1282...ts-control.html This is getting scary. Cowley wrote a pretty good, comprehensive, well-reserched article on the Sox. And he's on the bandwagon again. FOR NOW.

http://www.suntimes.com/sports/12852410-41...hise-needs.html

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseb...0,6684194.story Don Cooper blasts "non athletes," second-guessers, pitch count citers. Probably specifically angered by the Rosenbloom article which reached ZERO conclusions about what they should actually do differently with Sale.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/colum...,6714531.column Reading this article, it made me think of all those Sox prospects that have NOT been given playing time in the past like DeAza, Lillibridge (not that he was a "stud" prospect in the same realm as a Brett Jackson or Rizzo) or specifically Dayan Viciedo... Almost the opposite of the article, that the "young phenoms" being promoted wasn't conducive to the "win now/all in" philosophy we've had for much of the Williams tenure. Of course, our former manager had a proclivity for playing veterans over younger players. Some would argue that he was "protecting" them from having too much pressure (like Beckham in 2009/10), others that he was jealous of any new "superstar" threatening his role as undisputed media darling for the Sox. Lots of theories out there as to why Ozzie didn't like MOST young players, exceptions being Beckham in 2009, Fields in 2007 (no choice), Alexei, Chris Sale in 2010, etc. Or maybe it was simply if there was ANY doubt about the relative performance levels, Ozzie would invariably pick the veteran over the younger player.

Remember the Alamo/Maine/Titanic/Lusitania/Arizona/Konerko.

Jose Quintana LHP White Sox – age 23 – Another lesser known arm. This lefty has struck out 26 in 35.1 IP with a 3.03 ERA. The production is there for the southpaw and he’s walked just 7.3% of hitters. He’s bounced from the Mets to the Yankees and now with the White Sox he may be poised to step forward as a SP option. http://soxbronzetitan.wordpress.com/2012/0...-jose-quintana/ “Quintana’s fastball is in the 89-91 mph range. He also throws a curveball and change-up, and according to one scouting report, “throws with some deception.” (see the Wilson Alvarez comparison from RV) “He’s a strike thrower,” Williams said. “He can spin the breaking ball. He’s got velocity to both sides of the plate. He can grow up and be a starter. We’re very happy to have both (Donnie Veal was the other LHP signed).” Does anyone know who scouted and recommended Quintana for the White Sox in the FSL last year? Give him a gold star and promotion. Normally, whenever there's a thread about a young White Sox player or prospect, they proceed to lay an egg and end up like Josh Fields, Ehren Wasserman, Andy Gonzalez and Josh Fields. So I'm not taking responsibility if Quintana gets bombed tmrw. Only thinking positive thoughts!!!

QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ May 29, 2012 -> 09:34 PM) Why is Bayne still in the Barons' rotation and when does Rienzo get reinstated? Roughly speaking, he's (Rienzo) got about 20 more games to go, +/- one.