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QUOTE (kev211 @ Aug 1, 2010 -> 01:00 AM) Boston won today(technically yesterday) so I don't see how Detroit can sweep. Ooops, I fell asleep here in Thailand and had assumed they had won. Valverde's had a rough two games in a row. He was probably one of the best three-five relievers in baseball before this weekend.

Well, let's see. Three in a row versus us, they did lose 2/3 at home to Cleveland. But then the really easy part of schedule, like we had, 3/4 from the Orioles, swept the Royals 3 in a row, then 2 in a row over the Mariners. The only thing that's disappointing is that the two best Mariners starters (Fister and Felix) didn't win at least one of those games. It will be interesting to see which Detroit team shows up to face us next week...the one from the last two weeks or the team about to sweep the Red Sox in Boston with Verlander on the bump.

QUOTE (fathom @ Jul 31, 2010 -> 03:24 PM) is this sarcasm? No, I think there were a lot of players who seemed like they would be good fits at DH. Thome, Vladdy and Huff all ended up badly or worse...yet ended up having good to great rebound seasons. If we spent on the likes of Damon or Matsui, that money wouldn't be there now for Jackson, ARGUABLY. Too funny that the M's had to send down Justin Smoak to AAA, btw. Two months ago, the idea of trading Viciedo for Smoak would have been laughed at hysterically. Now at least 50% of MLB GM's would take Dayan, I'd venture.

QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Jul 31, 2010 -> 03:23 PM) That wasn't just a typical team. The Rays had a very good rotation that year. They had about 6 quality starters. Clearly, Jackson is better than Andy Sonanstine. Shields isn't as good as he was back then either. Garza has been inconsistent but has some of the best stuff east of Gavin Floyd. Back then you had Kazmir.....Niemann and Price coming fast.

QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Jul 31, 2010 -> 03:19 PM) Buying at the deadline is a perfectly fine strategy, especially when there weren't a ton of great fits at the deadline. You guys all talk about Thome, but he isn't exactly a world beater. He'd clearly be a lot better than Kotsay but he still hasn't been that amazing and no one could have even assumed he'd put up the numbers he has thus far this year. I liked some of the bats this off-season, but quite frankly, outside of Vladdy none of the cheaper DH options have lit the world on fire. I would have loved Matsui, he hasn't exactly been stellar either. The reality is we don't have a huge budget and our team was built to have a studly rotation, good defense, and nice bullpen. That can win a whole lot of games and our offense isn't near as bad as it was for the first two months of the season. It has issues, but a lot of teams have issues. Unless we had a crystal ball with Pods, Vladdy and Aubrey Huff, we'd probably be in an even worse position had we gone with almost any other option out there for DH, because that money for Damon/Matsui (etc.) wouldn't have been available to add Edwin Jackson.

Floyd has an ERA of just a tick higher than 1.00 since June 9th, right? Clearly, he's been one of the best starters in baseball that stretch....now of course I'd still trade him for Josh Johnson, but there's not more than 5 other pitchers in game today you'd rather have. The only question (like with Contreras in 05/06) is how long he can sustain this level of pitching.

Is Morel really ready to play everyday offensively? Agreed that KW will do the same thing he did in the past with our pitching staff and challenge them to sign extensions...both with Jackson and Danks. If Danks can get him a hitter and young starter with upside, then he might have no choice because the contract numbers for him are going to make Dunn's pale in comparison. OTOH, if he waits for Mitchell to be in ready in 2012 (that's really really pushing it developmentally), that might be the year we're best positioned overall from an offensive/pitching and payroll standpoint.

QUOTE (whitesoxfan101 @ Jul 31, 2010 -> 02:57 PM) Are we as good as we were in 2005? Are we going to get as lucky this year as we did in 2005? I don't like to make the 2005 comparisons. Not only was that team really good, it was also really lucky. Who knows? We were SEEMINGLY even better in 2006 than 2005...and we had the best offense in the majors for 3+ months that year. Inevitably, it always comes down to pitching. We have that at least. And a better bullpen than the Twins, even with them adding Capps. We've won 19/20 home games, of course luck plays a part in that too.

QUOTE (whitesoxfan101 @ Jul 31, 2010 -> 02:50 PM) You're speaking in incredible hyperbole today, badger. Optimism is fine, but one of the best pick ups ever? And even if Jackson is good, our offense still isn't good enough. I bet if you compared 2005 offense (after Thomas went down) to the 2010 version, there's not much of a difference....if so, it's pretty negligible. I'm not conceding anything yet.

We have Mitchell and Sale still. You would think it was June 9th and we were looking like one of the worst franchises in the majors. The Twins and White Sox both got a little bit better, but neither took a clear advantage over the other at the deadline.

QUOTE (scenario @ Jul 31, 2010 -> 12:05 PM) Send them Marquez in the deal and maybe you could finally let go of your Swisher trade angst. Don't we still have Nunez, too?

QUOTE (SoxFan562004 @ Jul 31, 2010 -> 12:04 PM) Yeah, there were rumors all around about Soriano, I believe KW was in on it, and they sat on him, I believe they got draft compensation for him, but not sure what that turned into That must have been 2006, I remember the deal was Soriano for McCarthy...

Didn't the same thing happen in Washington with them sitting out trading Soriano before? Can't remember exactly what was the situation...I guess Bowden was the GM then, right?

There will still be a lot of deals go through in the month of August. I would hate to get desperate and overpay for Dunn today...we are in first place, after all, we're not chasing down a leader from 5-6-7 games back and having to jump over one other team.

QUOTE (justBLAZE @ Jul 31, 2010 -> 11:40 AM) Since when do we have money? Since yesterday, lol. Jeff Passan wrote an article lumping the White Sox together with the other mighty empires of baseball as one of the BIG 7, kind of like the accounting firms I guess.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jul 31, 2010 -> 11:40 AM) What's Dunn's UZR at DH? About the same as Teahen's I think.

QUOTE (Thunderbolt @ Jul 31, 2010 -> 11:34 AM) That's a battle that the Rays have an advantage in. We just have to hope that our assets fit their needs a little better. But a monetary battle? The McCourts needs cash more than they need top prospects, those aren't exactly liquid assets. The Rays were already burned by Burrell and you have to think Ramirez would much rather play in Chicago...although the Rays obviously have a great chance at the postseason. What are Ramirez's stat lines at USCF and in Tampa?

QUOTE (Thunderbolt @ Jul 31, 2010 -> 11:32 AM) We lost Cubano for Chapman, i don't know if we can afford to lose Bren for Manny. If Viciedo plays regularly for the rest of the season (which will never happen), he'll be back. By the way, what happened to kennyhatesprospects?

But we could start our own dedicated Sox Mann-Ly Talk Zone about those masculine hormone treatments or whatever...maybe even get a sponsorship deal out of it for SoxTalk?

If we gave them Kotsay and CASH, would that be enough to get the deal done? JUST KIDDING. I think Ozzie might have a heart attack if KW traded his beloved TMK.

So if you're the White Sox, does giving the McCourts $5 million right now, today, cash on the table...and Chase Blackwood, get you Manny Ramirez for two months?

That's where it all comes down to how desperate are the McCourts to get out of that $15 million, how much can KW offer, how much of it will be deferred and how much in "present dollars" (would the Sox give up) and would there be any prospects going to the Dodgers. They have to give the Dodgers SOMETHING, it can't just be a monetary transaction.

QUOTE (chw42 @ Jul 31, 2010 -> 11:06 AM) I was talking about us coming up empty. Mike Rizzo basically f***ed this deadline over for us. We won't know the answer to that question for a long time. Not until at least 3 pm, probably much later into August....and, longer-term, until we see how the careers of Viciedo, Hudson and Flowers turn out. Bringing Dunn in would practically mean the end of Konerko's White Sox future, and what would be the odds of keeping him? Then, are we really confident in getting any payoff from those draft picks before 2012 or 2013? Is it even 100% guaranteed he's going to be a TYPE A FA?

if Ramirez does not opt out, he receives $5M in 2010 and $15M in 3 installments of $3,333,333 each on June 30, 2011 and 2012, and $8,333,333 on June 30, 2013 I don't know what he did, must have added $3.33 million from 2011 and 2012 together? That equals $6.7 million, but doesn't take into account 2013 monies owed.