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QUOTE (bigruss22 @ Jul 29, 2010 -> 09:10 AM) Thats why you dont sign Linebrink to that ridiculous contract in the first place. Its called being smarter with the resoruces given to you. It's easy to say that now. But the market for experienced set-up men coming into the 2008 season was a very different place. Look at all the money that was spent on the Jamie Walkers, Jose Mesa's and Chad Bradford's of the world. That was the market for Linebrink and Dotel AT THAT TIME. If we had a better farm system, will be the argument, we wouldn't have had to spend that money, yes? We certainly wouldn't have won the ALCD without Linebrink in 2008, you agree? I'll just put it this way, which GM hasn't made at least three BIG mistakes in the last five years? We keep saying how brilliant the Rangers are these days, but they traded away Danks, Chris Young (pitcher), Adrian Gonzalez...they've also dealt Armando Galarraga, Francisco Cordero and Edison Volquez, although Josh Hamilton is looking like the better part of that deal for now. KW hasn't made nearly that many mistakes with the most precious resource in the game, young pitching. The only starters you can argue that "got away" are Clayton Richard and Gio Gonzalez, and I bet 90% of the board would say trade for Peavy was the right move at the time, at that price...since you're pointing out Halladay, Lee and Oswalt as examples, certainly you agree with the acquisition of Peavy, yes?

The Phillies were so smart they gave up Gavin Floyd, Gio Gonzalez, Thome and a huge chunk of $20+ million to us for what exactly in return? The fact of the matter is that we're not as desperate for pitching as they are...because we have two starters with ERA's under 2 for the last 6 weeks, along with an established veteran workhorse in Mark Buehrle. And if the Phillies would have been able to retain the services of Lee and Halladay at the same time, they wouldn't find themselves in the embarassing position of having to make a 3rd move just to stay competitive.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jul 28, 2010 -> 09:07 PM) You would still be adding salary, which makes the move impossible. It would be adding $1.25 million for one season. However, if you kept Pods at the same number he's getting from the Royals, you make up the difference with Pierre and you can use that extra money you save on Pierre in 2011 and Teahen in 2011 and 2012 to invest in the draft. That's theoreticallly speaking, of course. And what's done is done.

Ozzie is a genius, Ozzie is a genius!!!

Is Jenks really throwing at 98 and 99?

There's one thing for sure, there's going to be a meltdown from the entire board if Jenks blows this one...the only good thing is that Ichiro and Figgins are out the way already, so that's a BIT comforting that the bigger swingers are up to bat.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jul 28, 2010 -> 05:25 PM) Can't bring in more salary. You are spending that money on the draft. I didn't, I took Hudson over Teahen.

Well, that's not good. We're getting close to building a hole that will be difficult to dig ourselves out of. First homer for Figgins all season, and one of those outings hopefully Buehrle can battle back and get through 6-7 innnings and keep us in while the offense rallies.

How close was that Quentin ball to going out? At least he's getting closer...he seems to be in a bit of a mini-slump after returning from the injury, we need him to heat up again.

Well, you kind of felt this coming...with how well the Twins have been playing. And 7-1 against the Mariners (should be 8-0) is pretty unreal...although Toronto is 11-0 against BALT this year I think.

Torres/Hudson/Threets/Santeliz/Nunez for the Linebrink's spot I said before I would have kept Beckham at 3B and brought in Orlando Hudson (which would have created a hole at 2B with his injuries, in which case we'd be using Vizquel, Nix or Lillibridge there)

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jul 28, 2010 -> 04:19 PM) So which five million-ish dollar player on the roster would you not want to have this year to pay for the drafting of players and international signings? That's too easy, Teahen and Linebrink. But I don't think there's any GM who hasn't made a single contract mistake....the Tigers had about 7-8 in recent years. Or look at the Flubs. In my recent memory, we've only had MacDougal, and you can debate Contreras/Konerko. Linebrink was a key player in 2008's ALCD, and the jury's still out on Pierre and Teahen.

QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Jul 28, 2010 -> 04:03 PM) Your organization should be up for contraction if you can't find a suitable replacement for Mark Teahen. Last time I checked, we were on a 31-11 run with that "unsuitable" replacement. Do the Red Sox have suitable injury replacements across the board? Check on their roster from the last month... Yes, I get the point you're trying to make, but if we're going to compare our situation with the Phillies (brand new ballpark, 10-15 years of being horrible which finally led to better drafting and results, huge payroll, etc.), I give up. The fact of the matter is we've been fighting that label of the worst of the new ballparks for 20 years now. And attendance in Camden Yards, Rogers Centre, Jacobs Field...have you looked at attendance numbers recently? In the 70's and most of the 80's, we were one of the worst franchises in baseball, despite all the colorful characters, uniforms and Bill Veeck. For the last 20 years, clearly we've been one of the 5-10 most successful. That's a huge improvement.

Didn't we manage to beat the Twins when 3-4 of our key players went down in 2008? Let's just see how well the Twins' do in a new ballpark down the stretch, we've never taken into consideration their home field advantage in this discussion with the Metrodome having had a huge effect. And we keep leaving out the year 2000 like it never happened because KW wasn't officially the GM at that time... If the Twins didn't already have 1987 and 1991, would they have taken their "record of success" this decade over ours? Because if memory serves me correctly, they advanced only once (out of the first round), and that was over another small market club in the A's. There's one thing that I will agree with...in terms of the farm system, Gardenhire was asked what was responsible for the Twins changing their organizationtal attitude after struggling for nearly a decade, from 1993-2000...he said it was when all their players (Mientkiewicz, Koskie, Hunter, Jacque Jones) were promoted from AA together, and you saw the same thing in the late 80's with all of our talent coming up together and blossoming in 1993 and 1994. Using the KW system, that minor league "bonding" never takes place in a way that can be used to effectively bolster the major league team with "waves and waves" of players who already have the winning fundamentals drilled into them by the system, with 3-4-5 arriving each and every season together. That might be the single biggest reason our teams have been inconsistent...that "chemistry" issue is always hit and miss because KW does so much tinkering with the roster and most of our major leaugue players haven't come up through our system. It can be overcome with "winning" players from other team backgrounds like Cabrera and Vizquel...but to really get on sustained run like the Twins did from 2002-2004/2006 is very difficult if you're not infusing the MLB roster with players internally. STILL, the fact of the matter is that the Angels and Twins have been pretty gun-shy about dealing their prospects, and it has obviously cost them in the playoffs. I think the Angels are now learning their lessons, not sure if the same can be said about the Twins. And the Twins have the biggest concern of all, what to do about their hometown hero that they just gave $184 million to if he has to be a 3B/1B/DH in that huge ballpark? Going forward, that contract might end up helping the White Sox more than anything KW does this year or next combined.

And AJ's making around $6.5 million this season...right? And I doubt they would try to cut his salary closer to $5 million...it could be one of those times where they ask AJ if he will take less in order to come back (where he'd obviously prefer to be), but he's not one of those guys making $10 million plus per year, not sure how he would take that. Probably not so well. So that would also make bringing back Konerko nearly impossible. Things will be tight enough as is... Unless those miracles happen with being able to trade Linebrink, Pierre and Teahen, not sure where they can go for payroll flexibility.

QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Jul 28, 2010 -> 09:47 AM) I would if it meant we could keep Hudson and acquire Dunn with the prospect you get from Jenks plus a combo of Flowers/Danks2/Morel/etc. That would be great, if it's actually possible. I really an fearful that trading Viciedo will come back to bite us. I'm not as worried about Flowers/Morel/Danks2 at all...although I have no idea who our catcher would be next year in that case, we'd better maximize our revenues or come up with another version of John Buck/Miguel Olivo on the FA market. The problem is that AJ knows the staff so well, you wonder how much time it will take for a new catcher to gain the trust of the staff, and this is particularly important with Gavin Floyd and Daniel Hudson, IMO.

Would you trade Jenks today and hand over the reigns with two months left to go to Putz/Thornton/Santos? Risky move...but it's perhaps even riskier to keep Jenks on this ballclub if he's not the official closer. One of many decisions I wouldn't be particularly enjoying to make in KW's shoes.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jul 28, 2010 -> 09:01 AM) The remarkable thing about the Sox though is that you could have said just as easily that the core of the team was declining/lost in late 2006/all of 2007. We were calling up guys like Andy Gonzalez because we had no depth, for example. I'm as worried as anyone about having to replace 8 guys this offseason (that's why I generally think that moving Hudson, Viciedo, or Santos in a trade is foolish)...but let's look at the roster turnaround from 2007-2008. New starting SS. New starting LF. New starting CF Bust (swisher). 2 youngins who had struggled the previous season sliding into the rotation (Floyd and Danks). 2 new big money guys in the bullpen (Linebrink and Dotel). Bench overhauled/new backup catcher. That's basically 7-9 new guys depending on how you count a guy like D1, and in 1 season, they whipped around from worst to first. Frankly, that overhaul was harder than the one we have to do this year. Not only that, but the transition from 2004 to 2005 was just as, if not more, dramatic. People already forget how bleak 2007, when seemingly the lone bright spots were not trading away Buehrle/Dye (etc.) and the second-half play of Josh Fields, Jerry Owens and Ehren Wasserman. KW struck lightning in a bottle with Danks, Floyd, Ramirez and Quentin, that can't be replicated every season, and Peavy/Rios, while not backfiring, didn't exactly help much to right the ship and get it headed into the playoffs last year. Rios was totally lost and Peavy was injured. What's the major difference between then and now? Maybe two of our best signings in Gordon Beckham and Dayan Viciedo. We're really not THAT far off, compared to how things looked in 2007, second half of 2009 (well, Peavy came back at the end to give some hope) or for much of the first two months of 2010. And, despite Trout's play, I still like Mitchell's upside overall. Of course, the odds of "stealing" a Danks and Floyd from other organizations, that just doesn't happen very often. We even got back Gio Gonzalez, who has quietly turned out to be a nifty little pitcher out on the West Coast. KW's biggest problem MIGHT be tinkering too much, and this season ("Ozzie's season") has somehow got us this far, I think there's a tremendous amount of pressure not to subtract one of the current guys from that clubhouse mix.

Agree with Robertito Walker Clemente, The White Sox have to WIN NOW, meaning in the 2010-12 window, IF it's still open. Trading Quentin would be a huge mistake, despite his injuries and defensive issues, he's shown that he can carry the ballclub and Dunn is simply not the type of player you want to spend $12-15 million for over multiple years, he's the antithesis of everything that Ozzie is trying to accomplish by shedding Thome/Dye, it's like saying not only do we acknowledge that we made a mistake by not signing Thome, we're going to compound it. That's assuming they would be giving up the likes of Beckham, Quentin or Hudson for Dunn. If there's a way to get it done without trading those three players, then it might make sense, but I'm still not 100% sold. I'd rather have Edwin Jackson, in fact, largely because he proved he could pitch successfully in the AL Central last year and Dunn would have only 2 months to adjust to a new league and new pitchers. While Konerko is more easily replaced statistically, there has to be a tremendous amount of discussion back and forth about the future of Tyler Flowers in this organization.

Look at our entire offseason. It was predicated on small(er), in some cases, season-ending, sample sizes for Pierre, Kotsay, Thome and Jermaine Dye (not to mention Vladimir Guerrero declining as well). Of course, there are many other factors (the money Pods wanted, two year contract, Ozzie's personal bias towards Pierre) involved, but it probably wasn't the best way to go about filling the DH spot, that's for sure. Andruw Jones has done exactly as predicted, following his statline from Texas very closely. Almost as predicatable as Alexei Ramirez getting off to slow starts every season.

The Brewers' GM was actually complaining that nobody was interested in acquiring Dave Bush when he was as "serviceable" as many of the other starters available out there. Somewhere, Danny Wright and James Baldwin are warming up.

http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news;_ylt=AreX...uerhealth072710 Mauer playing through pain...the question is how much it will affect him the next 8 years of that contract? Bonderman Considering Retirement By Tim Dierkes [July 28 at 9:16am CST] Jeremy Bonderman is seriously considering retiring at age 28 after the season, reports Vince Ellis of the Detroit Free Press. Bonderman will be a free agent, and he could hang up the spikes if he doesn't get an acceptable offer to return to the Tigers or sign with a team somewhat near his Pasco, Washington home. Bonderman says he's saved a lot of money, so he has the ability to retire. He's earned over $40MM in his career, most of it coming from a four-year deal signed in '06. Bonderman should find interest if he decides to continue pitching. He's shown good health, decent peripherals, and flashes of his former velocity this year.

QUOTE (ScottyDo @ Jul 27, 2010 -> 10:59 PM) Your company needs to improve its shipping/receiving process but has to funnel money from sales to make that work. Do you do it? IMO, the answer is maybe, depending on what the cost is. The club wants to improve its DH situation, but at what cost? Before the season started, it would have been a cash consideration. Now, it's prospects. Either way, it costs something. It's a risk analysis type of situation: do what you think gives you the best chance of a positive return. I think KW has done a phenomenal job of just that. I don't think, over his tenure, he's ever just ignored holes on the team, but he may have chosen not to plug them at the cost of other facets of the organization. If it were as simple as your example makes it sound, "get players to fill holes", and we had a GM who had his thumb up his butt instead, I would totally agree with you. You'd have to be a fool NOT to agree with that. The fact is, though, that it's not that simple: if you plug all holes at any cost, you're going to wind up with a HUGE deficit somewhere in your system. And most of the moves KW has made have been positive, some overwhelmingly so. Very few of his gambles have had a negative impact on the franchise. That could not be said for drafting during his early tenure, but even talent evaluation, of late, has seemingly improved. And, as someone brought up earlier, you have stats like WAR for players where the value of a standard "replacement-level" guy is taken into account. You could (and should) take that into account for GM's and managers as well, IMO. Sure, KW isn't perfect but where does he compare with a standard, replacement-level GM? Do you really think he's worse than any random GM we'd be likely to end up with? As far as Ozzie goes, I could take him or leave him, but I do think he's got positive WAR-esque value too so I'm not rushing off to the scrap heap to make an exchange. Verdict: Ozzie can stay or go, I vote stay with the utmost lukewarmness. But KW does a fine job and should stay on IMO. And this is where that nightmare scenario for KW and Sox fans comes in. We all lived through 2001-2004, when we had negligible, at best, fifth starters... One of the main points of emphasis after 2005 was to build a rotation with depth...and he accomplished that by adding Javy and having McCarthy ready to go in case of injury. We obviously struggled in that area last year with Colon and Contreras, and KW perhaps got lucky with Garcia's performance the first half...but if we trade Hudson now, that leaves us with Garcia and Torres as the 4th and 5th. With Liriano and Pavano pitching so well recently, and Duensing's record of success out of the pen as well as so far as a starter, the rotation would be my biggest concern, in terms of bringing in a little insurance for both Garcia and Hudson. Two weeks ago, you would have said we might have the advantage over the Twins (they still have a much better offense, despite the loss of Morneau) but with Slowey pitching better again and Baker has the ability and proven track record, then the White Sox seemingly need to maintain their current advantage in the pitching (both starting and relief), defense (since Vizquel took over for Teahen and Alexei morphed into a Gold Glover) and speed areas. I haven't made a comparison with the 2005 offense recently, I think we're 4th in the AL in homers and near the top in stolen bases still...obviously the OBP and OPS numbers are short because of Pierre, Beckham (until a month ago), AJ and the DH position. Maybe KW can pull off a miracle and address both 5th starter and DH, but I think going with Teahen/Viciedo is the move. Unfortunately, Ozzie would seem more likely to keep Lillibridge/Kotsay and send down The Tank, and that's where I disagree...or even playing Kotsay in general so much over Viciedo. I'm sure there are good reasons, I just think Viciedo has a lot more potential to help the offense than TMK.

Well, we have our next Piranha. Danny Valencia hitting .391. Looks like the Twins will be starting out 9-4 after the ASB. Unfortunately, we have only a 1 game lead instead of 4, but that's what happens when Jenks comes unglued.

Unfortunately, this wounded Mariners team gets the consolation of prize of going to Minnesota next. For some reason, though, they've played the Twins very well the last 2-3 seasons...even though they've lost quite a few close ones.