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QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ Jul 21, 2009 -> 02:28 PM) Do you ever stay on subject for the full length of a post? You said Sherrill was the equivalent of Thornton/Richard, I pointed out that saying Thornton/Richard is like saying any lefty/any lefty. You then asked how many other teams have lefties who happen to be in the 94-98 range (which is a pretty broad range), which is not what I was talking about, nor is it what you were talking about originally. I need to go beat my head on a brick wall. That's because you went to Iowa State apparently...and I went to Iowa, so there you go. How is Thornton/Richard JUST like any lefty/lefty? What does that even mean? Which teams have a tandem or trio of three lefties coming out of the pen like we do (or could have)? Why do you underestimate Richard so much, because he has been pitching so poorly as a starter recently? I'll narrow the range, 95-98, if that appeases you. I will also go to beating my head against a brick wall like Kirk Ferentz must feel every year after somehow losing to ISU inexplicably with superior talent.

I vote for Pods, Jon Garland or Jose Valentin's manly moustache. No votes for Ron Karkovice, Willie McGee, Tyrone Hill or Randy Johnson?

QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ Jul 21, 2009 -> 02:14 PM) Richard does not throw 94-98 consistently. He throws 92-93 consistently, occasionally hitting 95 when he reaches back for extra. Thornton is 96-97 like clockwork, occasionally 98. They are entirely different in delivery, pitches, velocity, strengths/weaknesses... again, except for the lefthandedness. Still looking for answer to question, what other team possesses what we have, not to mention Poreda as well? Second, Richard had numerous starts when he was 93-95 MPH this season, on various guns. Why WOULDN'T we be able to extrapolate that he could easily/comfortably throw 93-94-95-96 coming out of the bullpen? Did anyone predict Richard would be throwing 2-3 MPH harder than Poreda this season? I don't think so. Or that he could possibly be one of the two center pieces in a trade for Jake Peavy?

QUOTE (RockRaines @ Jul 21, 2009 -> 02:13 PM) we pretty much ruined Freddy Garcia's career. No, Seattle and Piniella did. Look how many injuries Gil Meche had out there, as well...they really abused him his first 5-6 years in the big leagues. He was consistently 94-96/97 MPH with his FB when he came up. He was usually high 80's and mostly lower 90's with us. Interesting note on the White Sox offense.... We're now EXACTLY tied with the American League statistical average of a .761 OPS and 11 runs behind the AL Runs Scored Average, trailing the 440 average by 11 runs at 429. Amazing how much Beckham, Pods and a more confident Getz have meant to this offense. Greg Walker's name has disappeared from SoxTalk and even Dick Allen's vocabulary for the time being (along with Orlando Cabrera and arbitration). IF IF IF Quentin stays healthy, they could average 800 ops from here on out, easily.

QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ Jul 21, 2009 -> 02:03 PM) Thornton and Richard are nothing alike other than being left-handed. What other team has two lefties that both can throw 94-98 MPH consistently out of the bullpen?

With our 39,000+ attendance from last night, we should be able to go out and get Tim Belcher or Ken Hill now. Note to Paulie, JD, AJ, and Thome: Please, if KW comes to you THIS year, like in 2006, and asks if additional help is needed at the trade deadline, PLEASE SAY YES.

QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ Jul 21, 2009 -> 02:56 PM) Probably because we have one of the best collections of pen arms in baseball, one of whom is a pending FA, and we have a few apparently good RP prospects ready at AAA, and we just traded for a younger, cheaper one. Makes perfect sense to me. We would have to give away additional prospects with Liney or eat salary....especially after his performance the last 4-6 weeks (see Richard, Clayton and Poreda, Aaron for other Sox pitchers who have lost a bit of luster). With Dotel, we won't get much of anything back at all, but clearing his salary gives us the ability to "rent" a CFer (Endy Chavez, for example) or veteran 3B. Plus, as expected, Pena has been very inconsistent already, just as he was with the D-Backs for most of this season.

I wonder if KW is going to consider trading for veteran players Melvin Mora or A. Huff for 3B, with Beckham moving to 2B? Maybe 10% odds? Sherrill is the other Orioles player reportedly being offered up in trade, but he would be way too expensive to acquire...plus, we already have his equivalent in Thornton/Richard (eventually) down in the pen.

http://blogs2.startribune.com/blogs/neal/2...L7PQLanchO7DiUr 175 posts about the Twins' Front Office, GM and "bad" manager Ron Gardenhire after last night's horrific loss... How many of you would "trade" Ozzie for Gardenhire, straight-up, to be our manager for the rest of the season? Or for Jim Leyland, who abuses almost all of his best starters and runs their arms into the ground historically? Yeah, the Cubs' loss was a tough one to take, but Ozzie really had a lot of faith in Liney up until that game, based on the 2008 season when he was healthy (like Hermanson the first half of 2005).

Poreda, who is the Sox top pitching prospect, was used sporadically since being promoted to Chicago on June 9th. Poreda pitched well (2.45 ERA, 9H, 12K, 8 BB, 11IP) in all but his final appearance, where he faced two batters with the bases loaded and preceded to walk both of them. PROCEEDED...

http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news;_ylt=AkuX...o&type=lgns White Sox NOT included in the list of potential suitors in this particular article.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jul 21, 2009 -> 11:02 AM) We do have a real habit over the years of having guys stall at the AAAA level who go on to be solid relievers with other teams, don't we? Rauch Majewski Frank Francisco (wouldn't describe him as stalled, though) Aardsma Javier Lopez with Boston Masset MacDougal Jesus Pena (joking) Chad Bradford Josh Fogg Rocky Biddle

QUOTE (Kalapse @ Jul 21, 2009 -> 10:46 AM) Andy Sisco. Don't know how many of these guys actually had TJ surgery... Lorenzo Barcelo Jim Parque Jason Stumm Corwin Malone Danny Wright Jon Rauch (labrum) Rocky Biddle Bobby Howry Kelly Wunsch James Baldwin Mike Sirotka Kyle Kane Kris Honel Brian West

QUOTE (That funky motion @ Jul 20, 2009 -> 10:23 PM) I agree with you that BA will only be a 4th OF and his swing sucks. But the only manager that would keep Wise over BA is Ozzie. Do you really think KW completely disagreed and wanted to keep BA on the roster? I think they know maybe he COULD POSSIBLY get hot down in AAA playing everyday and maybe they could capitalize on that if they can't find a replacement for Wise.

All I know is that we should get someone like Endy Chavez that can actually handle the bat (a little bit) and can play all three outfield positions extremely well. Yes, KW, those players DO exist. We can't keep having Pods/Wise/Dye trying to hold down leads from the 7th inning on. That's just a recipe for disaster.

JESUS JENKS....

Has there ever been a worse defensive outfield in the history of the game than the one we're trotting out there now?

Can Jenks please just have ONE 1-2-3 inning every couple of weeks or so?

Minnesota wiping the A's out at the Coliseum, 8-2.

Who is playing CF now? What did Jenks eat for breakfast? Power Wheaties?

Beckham and Ramirez look like a consistent 20/20 club waiting to happen up the middle with steals and homers each season. 30/30 would be amazing, and Ramirez is the more likely one there....but we'll easily settle for 20/20 every year. Who got sent down to make way for Quentin, BTW?

QUOTE (fathom @ Jul 20, 2009 -> 08:38 PM) Linebrink's fastball is at 93-94 mph. The problem is it's so straight, and he rarely throws an offspeed pitch. He had pinpoint control the first half of last year, and that has totally abandoned him. What happened to his slider? Seems the bottom of the order has let us down a little in this game, but what can you expect with Fields having sat for so long? Nix usually is a good match-up with lefties, though. Atta boy Gordo, don't go down quietly.

QUOTE (JohnCangelosi @ Jul 20, 2009 -> 08:35 PM) How could Thornton have gotten Longoria who is right handed??? I don't understand? Don't we need to have a righty pitch him? Kidding. What a joke Ozzie is with this righty on righty BS. Nothing more over played in this game of baseball, that s*** doesn't matter. Bring in your best f***ing pitcher for the 8th and 9th and close the f***ing god damn game out, for christ f***ing sake! I'm a little relieved Ozzie didn't bring in Jenks to face Longoria...just a hunch, seems Ozzie had the same feeling, too.

What pitcher in the bullpen isn't scary right now? We have to get something out of Pena, Linebrink seems done, at least for now...until his good fastball comes back. Can't believe we didn't score in the bottom of the 6th or 7th, let's hope it can stand up. By all appearances on the net, though, a great game...very entertaining. Wish we could have put it away earlier, but we can still score some runs here.

Grudzielanek is not a SS anymore. He will be replacing Casilla (.177) and Tolbert over at 2B. Punto, Buscher, Harris and Delmon Young will all continue to get significant playing time, and their OPS numbers are pretty abysmal, even compared to the White Sox.