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QUOTE (docsox24 @ Jul 6, 2011 -> 01:56 PM) hey greg if you can hit we need a guy for our hardball league on sundays I think the 8 hour commute from KC will take the starch out of his Viciedo-esque, laundry line drive swing.

QUOTE (BigSqwert @ Jul 6, 2011 -> 01:54 PM) Do we even employ scouts? Jerry Krause is crossing the Orinoco River right as this is typed. Probably got confused and is accidentally looking for the Fountain of Youth instead of Latin prospects (which would be an improvement on the plot of Pirates 4).

I'd actually guess that greg775 would have a better chance of getting a hit today than Dunn against Chen. Sorry for hyperbole, not sure what else you can come up with when this guy's no-hitting you in front of a crowd of 15,000 aggravated fans who can't even conjure up the energy to get back to booing Dunn wholeheartedly again.

QUOTE (fathom @ Jul 6, 2011 -> 01:48 PM) I've been wondering if we'll see a Swisher situation at the end of the year where he's dumped for basicallly nothing, or in this situation, we'll have to take on someone else's bad contract. John Lackey or Zito. He'll immediately play like an MVP from the point we trade him, guarantee it. Actually, the Giants would never make that move. The Red Sox might.

QUOTE (Greg Hibbard @ Jul 6, 2011 -> 01:44 PM) I am usually very positive, but if we lose this game I might completely flip. Don't go over to the Dark Side yet. There's always the Twins series to really get us riled up coming up next. Seriously, it will suck to not have anybody to argue with. We need someone to bring greg775 off the ledge if we get swept by Minny at home (not even as pessimistic as I get when we play the Twins do I envision a 4 game sweep). That would be horrific.

And the problem with benching RIOS now is how bad he's (LILLY) been struggling offensively, as Fathom noted, especially against RHP. Rios should have played yesterday and Lilly today. Maybe Ozzie was confused or lost his glasses when he was making out the line-ups. Or Dolores stuck Brent's name on there and Ozzie didn't notice. We just have to have one more outfielder on that roster. DeAza probably, or Milledge.

QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Jul 6, 2011 -> 01:38 PM) The Sox beat Doug Davis Rodrigo Lopez- yes, that sucked, I was there Jeff Francis- The Sox won both games against him Bruce Chen- it's been one inning, and either way, Chen is 2-0 so far agaisnt DET & CLE Are you Chris Rongey? Joking...I think. Statistically, Chen has been hit harder by lefties (not named Dunn). CORPSEBALL quote....or too early? Wonder if we'll get 20,000 today? We barely made it over that mark last night.

QUOTE (Harry Chappas @ Jul 6, 2011 -> 01:31 PM) it really is pathetic Doug Davis Rodrigo Lopez Jeff Francis Bruce Chen the guy from Colorado come September when another season is pissed away they will have nobody to blame eventually some team in the Central will be good and then the Sox will have to hear about how good they are and how the Sox can not compete oh well what are you going to do Collmenter? Or was that Ariz? Guess we beat him 8-2. Hernandez with the Nationals, too.

Two mistakes we see over and over again. First pitch fastballs (that's twice to Hosmer) to a first-pitch fastball hitting team. Rios' continual failure to play defense fundamentally. Drifting back with the ball instead of going back to the wall immediately and feeling it with his hand. It's an 8 foot fence. There's no excuse to not either keep that in the stadium if not catch it. Somehow Lillibridge manages it and he's a lot shorter than Alex.

WHY? WHY? WHY? Make an adjustment, White Sox. Move up in the box, try a heavier bat or even use the Scotty Pods/Ichiro walk-up happy feet approach. The guy's throwing 83-85 MPH. When he reaches back for all he's got, it's a slow Buehrle fastball.

Well, one good thing about today. We don't have to face Liriano. Apparently, Mauer will start at 1B tmrw for the first time this season as well.

QUOTE (winninguglyin83 @ Jul 6, 2011 -> 01:13 PM) Jackson Mr. Inefficiency. Send him on his way. Who would want him the way he's pitched the last 6 weeks? Hard to understand how a guy with his stuff has given up 113 hits in 100 IP. Always behind in counts and forced to throw fastballs...part of the problem. No command of his offspeed stuff until the middle innings, if then.

Is it our goal to spot the Royals a 2-3 run lead every time we play?

Uh-oh, Jackson 3-4, 5.74 career ERA against KC. Chen has actually pitched pretty well this season. Not close to a slam dunk for the Sox. Joe West threw out Leyland last night. Seems like the Tigers feel about that crew the same way Sox fans do.

"One of the nicest guys you'll ever meet," said Birmingham catcher Josh Phegley. "He mingled with us. We felt like we were going to go out there and battle with him rather than [be spectators]." "A true professional and great person," said Birmingham manager Bobby Magallanes. "I don't know what other words you could use to describe him. He took care of the guys, really respected everybody. We'd be a fool if we didn't go up and pick his [brain]." When Peavy was a Minor Leaguer some 10 years ago in the Padres system, he remembers big leaguers who came down on rehab assignments and the hunger he had to be those guys. Some of them presented helpful advice. Others big-leagued the younger players, and Peavy was determined to be a mentor. He didn't take these starts lightly, because well, Peavy doesn't take anything lightly. "I certainly wanted to be the guy who was down there as just one of the boys, and played as hard as they played," Peavy said. "It's still about winning. I told them we would go after things the same way in Charlotte as here, and find a way to win." Scott Merkin mlb.com/chisox.com

I swear to God there'll be at least 2 key moments in the game that Dunn will come up against "CY LEFTY" Chen and K before Konerko can even get a chance to drive them in. For heaven's sake, at least move him down to 6th or 7th against LHP.

Or....everyone on the White Sox with an OPS of under 800 this season is also "failing" too. Which means the entire roster with the exception of Konerko, Quentin and maybe Lillibridge still.

QUOTE (docsox24 @ Jul 6, 2011 -> 09:35 AM) Flowers will be the backup catcher for league minimum. You have to hope Mark doesn't get more on the market. Doesn't seem anyone who's around the team is convinced it's a good idea to have AJ and Flowers together on the same roster. AJ hasn't shown any inclination to give up the position or "mentor" Tyler on the nuances of the game. Just have to wait and see. If they're struggling at the end of this month, they might think about trading him instead of being on the hook for that contract in 2012.

Must have been 2004-2006, somewhere in that time period. The kid who played 1B for the Pirates the last couple of seasons kind of reminded me of him. Flash in the pan. Kevin Maas, Shane Spencer, etc.

QUOTE (fathom @ Jul 6, 2011 -> 08:27 AM) At least we'd get to see Minka Kelly a lot We'd see her a lot more if she could actually act well. Oh well, you can't get everything you wish for. I think she'd be a suitable replacement for Sam's love interest in Transformers 4: White Sox Take Back Chicago.

QUOTE (since56 @ Jul 6, 2011 -> 07:08 AM) With all due respect to you I would have to say it was a fail. He did not stick because he could not field the ball, and he had too little plate discipline. Both are necessary in baseball. Did any of the players he is compared to at the top of this string ever succeed by getting sent down after breaking in? It was a failure on the part of KW and the White Sox to project him at 3B from the time of his signing. This has little or nothing to do with his current ability to be a DH or a corner outfielder. Cabrera was a complete disaster defensively at 3B too, but the Marlins needed his bat too much to send him back down, even at age 19 or 20. Whereas the White Sox don't need his offense, apparently, as they're just fine without him. Or so some would have you believe.

QUOTE (Eminor3rd @ Jul 6, 2011 -> 07:12 AM) In theory, it would be Danks/Peavy/Floyd/Humber/Sale. But if MB/EJ/JP/CQ are gone, they'd have a chunk of change to sign another SP if they needed. I can't access Kalapse's payroll resource, but I wouldn't count my chickens before they're hatched on this one. For example, AJ will make $4 million more next season, compared to this season. Danks will be getting a substantial arbitration raise. Peavy will go up by $1 million. Dunn will go up by $2 million. Floyd does up by $2 million. Teahen $750,000. Crain, $500,000. Thornton goes up $2.5 million. Ramirez. $3.9 million as long-term extension kicks in. Viciedo $1.25 million, etc. Ohman, $1 million raise. So let's just put that at around $21 million. So we're paying Pierre in actuality $5 million because of the subsidy from LA. Quentin at $5 million. Buehrle $14 and EJ, $8.35. That's $32.5 million. So the next difference is actually only $11.5 million to keep the same SKY HIGH, RECORD PAYROLL. ASSUMING JR IS EVEN WILLING TO DO SO. If nothing else, it seems more and more clear that Quentin might be the odd man out just for payroll purposes, along with Mr. Danks, because he will bring us the highest return in trade AND he's getting more and more expensive (although still a bargain). What that $11.5 million PROBABLY represents is the money that will used to bring back Buehrle. If not used, it will be cut from the payroll, which is probably a reasonable assumption if we don't make the playoffs again this season. This leaves DeAza as your new leftfielder (Lillibridge, Jordan Danks and Lastings Milledge will all figure in) and leadoff hitter (replacing Pierre) and Viciedo in RF. Whoever they get back for Danks and Quentin will be used to plug the gaps in the starting rotation, especially if Buehrle doesn't return. EDIT: We're wasting another $3.5 million on Linebrink, and I'll give you the benefit of the doubt that they don't bring back Vizquel at $1.75 million. They'll need a back-up catcher, so I won't give you that $1.2 million for Castro. In the end, that's $17 million. But still a payroll in the $105-110 million range (and this doesn't include raises for the likes of Humber, Beckham, Santos, Lillibridge and Sale, for example). I'll give you a final $1.6 million for Tony Pena. $18.6 million. But I'll bet you $9-12 million goes to bring back Mark Buehrle and that's all we spend in the offseason. KW will have to trade Quentin/Danks to get our new impact players for 2012, along with bringing in DeAza and Viciedo to replace Pierre and CQ.

QUOTE (Eminor3rd @ Jul 5, 2011 -> 11:57 PM) I'd trade CQ for Bourn in a heartbeat. Bourn is dirt cheap, CQ is about to be $10m player. Viciedo doesn't have to be CQ for this team to be good - Dunn needs to be Dunn and Rios needs to be Rios. If those guys are good, and Viciedo is 70% of CQ, and you replace Pierre with Bourn, you have a WAY better team. If Dunn/Rios/Beckham stay bad, the team isn't going to win either way. Think about 2012. Without CQ, MB, EJ, and JP, there's like $40m off the books. Jerry won't put us at $127m again, but he'll sure as hell put us at $100m. Now imagine the above scenario with $15m or so for KW to spend on FA. Except who are you going to get to replace Mark Buehrle and Jackson? Our rotation next year is going to be at least one starter short, assuming Peavy stays healthy. There's at least a 50/50 chance he isn't healthy again coming into 2012. So that's potentially 2 starters. And that Humber continues to pitch like a frontline starter instead of a journeyman/AAAA/filler pitcher.

Wow, Gardenhire pulled Capps. 3-2 Twins, 2 outs, runners on 1st and 2nd, just walked Shoppach and Perkins will come in to face Damon. Gutsy call, don't see the closer pulled very often with a lead in the 9th. Perkins got Damon to ground weakly to SS, Game Over.

ooops, wrong thread again