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QUOTE (Reddy @ Mar 22, 2009 -> 02:24 PM) you forgot Rey Ordonez. I guess it would be the same thing if we took one of Korea's middle infielders from the WBC and stuck him out there at SS and 2B (as playing Rey Ordonez). At least those are two positions that SEEM to be covered for the near future. But I have been coveting their superfast/leadoff CFer...wondering how our line-up would look if you just added him to the top of the order.

QUOTE (Reddy @ Mar 22, 2009 -> 02:16 PM) I'm just biased too because I'm from Iowa City, IA - 20 minutes from Cedar Rapids, where he's from. So he was always a fav. of mine. Well, in that case, you can always cheer for our new acquisition Gilmore from the Braves. I went to Iowa and am from Bettendorf, that's why when we have a "native" athlete like Tavian Banks in our state (Roger Craig is also from Davenport), we do want them to succeed, and it would have been nice had he done it for the Sox. I felt the same way about Jason Bohannon. It sucks to watch him playing for WI when he undoubtedly would have ended up a Hawkeye had it not been for Steve Alfraud messing up the basketball program in IC.

QUOTE (Reddy @ Mar 22, 2009 -> 02:15 PM) CF being thought of as a power position is the fault of the likes of Griffey and Torii Hunter. I'd be more than happy with a fast, slap hitting, base stealing, decent obp guy who's a plus fielder over the likes of Jerry flippin' Owens and Brian Anderson. Yeah, I guess it's just like 10 years ago when Nomar, Tejada, Jeter, Renteria, etc., started to make SS an offensive position and not an Ozzie Guillen-esque one. There just aren't that many Grady Sizemores out there...Andruw Jones also comes to mind in terms of the power/speed combination. Nate McLouth, to a lesser extent. Inevitably, we'll return to the Chris Young conversation...it has replaced the Todd Ritchie trade, along with the two Nick Swisher deals, for most debated moves in recent Sox trade history.

QUOTE (Reddy @ Mar 22, 2009 -> 02:09 PM) i'm just gonna indulge my nostalgia for a second... Sweeney CF Beckham 2B Quentin LF Ramirez SS Fields 3B Viciedo 1B if only... You need to have someone (like Brandon Allen) in there to provide some LH balance. The last week has really been a pretty boring/disappointing one for White Sox followers. Viciedo/Flowers/Allen all gone, none unexpected, but they made the games more exciting to follow, and Becks has finally cooled off as well. There isn't much drama left, just the CF situation and what will happen with Marquez/Poreda and the final bullpen spot and/or Colon's status.

QUOTE (flavum @ Mar 22, 2009 -> 02:06 PM) The Sox wanted him to hit for power. The A's allow him to be who he is...a slap hitter, and a pretty good outfielder. I don't think they "wanted" him to hit for power...they were just waiting for him to become the type of hitter who would at least give you 15-18 homers and 30+ doubles per season, something like Aaron Rowand. The White Sox could afford a gap hitter in their line-up if he had a 340-350 OBP and stole 15-25 bags per season and played well above average defense at that position. What they really need is a combination of Anderson and Sweeney...as both are incomplete CFers (if you look at it "holistically").

I don't think Sweeney would be the long-term solution in USCF witht the corner outfielders we have now...well, I guess we'll have to compare overall stats with the likely platoon situation we're going into and see if we can at least get an 800 OPS out of CF this season. It won't be easy. I don't think Sweeney will ever be much higher than 775-825 either.

http://mlb.mlb.com/news/boxscore.jsp?gid=2...chamlb_oakmlb_1 Let's try to break this funk we're in...Ryan Sweeney hitting .425 coming into the game, fwiw. Heard that Gio was battling some injury problems. Also, this is the Orlando Cabrera "reunion" game. They expect a lot out of this Mazzaro kid that's on the mound today. Supposedly one of their three future aces.

http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news;_ylt=AlGz...o&type=lgns Some funny quotes, especially the ones about stealing money while "cooperating" with Chavez in Venezuela. Wonder how many shots Luis Sojo is taking in Caracas today? That was a brutal performance by his team yesterday, and leaving the likes of Felix Hernandez on the bench makes absolutely no sense...I really have enjoyed watching the Koreans and Japanese play in this WBC. If any team is like the one Ozzie would ideally like to manage (and like him at the plate/defensively/fundamentally), it's the Korean squad of no-names (up until now). I think that darned Choo guy (why SEA gave up on him, I'm not sure) will be a pain in our butts for many years to come.

QUOTE (fathom @ Mar 22, 2009 -> 01:37 PM) I heard the other day from a friend of Corky Miller's that he will be the back-up catcher for the Sox. Should be official shortly. I didn't think it was possible to find a worse hitter than Toby Hall (during his Sox career). Don Wakamatsu?

http://chicago.whitesox.mlb.com/news/artic...sp&c_id=cws Good story on Viciedo...by the way, there's nothing wrong with his swing! He'll be just fine. He's also our best candidate after Betemit to be used as the DH if Thome continues to struggle with back issues.

http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news;_ylt=Aglh...o&type=lgns Jeff Passon (yahoo sports) in-depth coverage of the controvery with many quotes (albeit none from HC).

Nope...only split squad games. That takes away Wise's homer and triple (against Dodgers Monday morning) and a Chris Stewart homer, among other things...but that is another reason why "Wayne" Wise's name has been coming up more often recently with Ozzie and KW.

Who did Egbert start against? Australia? I can't remember...and the line-up he faced that day. We do know that Marquez and Richard have started all of their games against the best possible hitters.

Nix is the best defender on the team...we've yet to see how Beckham will do at 2B over an extended period of time. He's looked better at SS so far...or are you arguing he should be beating out Alexei Ramirez, because he's clearly outplayed everyone on our team offensively?? That's the same argument as Lillibridge over Anderson...if we stuck Brent out there for the next 3 weeks about two to three games per week and he "looked good." I have no problem with taking Egbert, fine...up to Ozzie and Cooper. Why haven't we heard it mentioned yet. It's a crapshoot, he could actually be better than Carasco, who knows. I would question why his name hasn't been mentioned once by a single beat or national baseball writer as part of the White Sox conversation. As someone mentioned earlier, Marquez and Richard have had to pitch against the BETTER hitters in most line-ups at the beginning of games. I don't have all the boxes to look at how many "good" MLB hitters Egbert's actually gotten out that would make me bat an eye. Owens is quickly playing his way out of this organization and showing no signs of coming out of it. Cole Armstrong with a bomb...wow, I guess I should "jinx" the offense every game like this...unfortunately I'll be gone for a week to the Philippines and out of internet access when the games are on so I won't be able to start another ST game thread.

QUOTE (Kalapse @ Mar 13, 2009 -> 04:08 PM) It's spring f***ing training. Balta is right about the quality of pitcher, you tried to argue about clutch situations which don't exist in exhibition games. He had 27 AB in C&L situations last year and 87 in games when there was a 1 R margin and he hit .272/.314/.494/.808. What's the spring sample size looking like? 8/27 against hand-picked/favorable lefties for BA to feast on means about as much to me as BA's homer today in garbage time or his homer against Australia.

If it's ONLY/JUST spring training, then why are we ALL talking about Beckham making the team??? We wouldn't be if he was hitting .100, but because he's performing exceptionally well, he's become a legitimate part of the conversation. How many times do we hear that BA hit two homers off Felix Hernandez...as if they means he has a lifetime get of jail free card???

QUOTE (Kalapse @ Mar 13, 2009 -> 04:01 PM) There's a gaping hole in the back of the bullpen, someone needs to win that spot and if we're going off who's earned it with their spring performance it's Jack Egbert. No one is going to trade for Jayson (DFA) Nix and Chris Getz is the future utility player of this ballclub, both have been thoroughly outplayed by Gordon Beckham this spring, the job should be his. Ummm...we got Loaiza and Jenks for basically nothing. Or look at someone like Carlos Pena. Just because Jayson Nix had no value to other teams last year doesn't mean he has no future value for infinity. Nix has been out for one week with a strained quad and was 5/7 before today. I don't know how you can say Beckham clearly outplayed him. Egbert hasn't pitched CLEARLY better than Marquez, Poreda and Richard...his sample size is too small to say he's the best option.

QUOTE (Kalapse @ Mar 13, 2009 -> 03:57 PM) It's spring f***ing training. There are no "clutch" moments, the games are all exhibitions and populated by single A crap by the late innings. Balta has a decent argument about the quality of pitcher he's facing but give me a break, when the "score's tight"? Brian hit .296 in Close and Late situations last year, you know, during real games and put up a mid .700 OPS in tie ballgames. His OPS got progressively better as the score got tighter last season. What he does in clutch spring opportunities is irrelevant. I think Ozzie cares more what BA does against a quality pitcher in Chris Young than everyone who has come since then. I know if Viciedo hit a homer off David Price or Chris Young, it would be looked at much differently than one off Eckstrom. Van Benscrotum??? LOL I also think that BA needs to prove that he can actually put up a better than 650 OPS playing against tough RHPers. All of those late at-bats were hand-picked to face mostly lefties. How many are in that sample size anyway??? It can't be that many, usually he was a defensive (not offensive) replacement in games.

QUOTE (Kalapse @ Mar 13, 2009 -> 03:50 PM) So are you taking the players who are playing the best right now (apparently 7 singles, a 1/10 BB/K and no playing time in CF is good) or the players who make the team the best it can be? So if the season started today you'd honestly be comfortable giving Lillibridge significant playing time in CF? Seriously? Then you're going with the players who "deserve" to make the team based on their spring performance because there's nothing about Brent Lillibridge that leads me to believe he'll contribute to the major league club this year. If Brent Lillibridge is on your team then I hope Jack Egbert and Gordon Beckham are as well. The problem with that line of thinking is that Egbert is the 9th starter on the team right now, assuming he's ahead of Broadway. Obviously, Owens and Anderson are struggling. The manager acknowledges/ed it...and the door's open for ANYONE as far as KW and Ozzie are concerned. I would have no problem taking Beckham, although then you're penalizing Getz and Nix and eliminating any chance to get a return on them via trade if neither has the opportunity to demonstrate anything during the regular season. Our best future line-up most certainly has Beckham at the top (first or second) of the order.

QUOTE (JorgeFabregas @ Mar 13, 2009 -> 03:48 PM) Are you accusing him of being unclutch in spring training? I do think the situations in the games....who is pitching....what's the score, etc., are part of the thinking process, yes. Anyone can swing hard and hit the ball occasionally (see Uribe, Juan), but what does he do when they really need him and the score's tight?

Yes, he specifically mentioned Lillibridge would start getting time in CF and wouldn't even rule out Beckham, although he added the caveat that Beckham would be the "everyday" player no matter where he was on the field. It was in comments made to Scot Gregor of the Daily Herald on Wed or Thursday.

QUOTE (Kalapse @ Mar 13, 2009 -> 03:43 PM) So who are the 2 major league centerfielders on the roster? Wise and who? Can't be Owens, even if Brian's swing is pure s*** he still brings more to the table than Owens. Lillibridge? The infielder who's proven nothing above A ball and hasn't played CF in regular season game in 4 years? Anderson has hit two huge homers in completely meaningless situations...but failed continually when his bat was needed in clutch situations. I wonder how much Ozzie and KW will take that into consideration, kind of like Albert Belle stats when he was with the Sox.

Lillibridge was battling a wrist problem all of last season and changed his swing mechanics to compensate. He played much better in the last 4-6 weeks (like Konerko) but it's really lost in the stats. KW and Ozzie really like what he brings to the team...versatility, speed/pinch-running, best defender/back-up at SS and the ability to play CF if we give him some time out there. I won't be surprised at all if he makes the team.

QUOTE (jphat007 @ Mar 13, 2009 -> 03:32 PM) It's too far away to be making any big statements like that. One player could get hot and cold and in one week their avgs will be totally different Brian Anderson has left 7 on base. He's struck out in a key situation and looked more horrible than Jerry Owens. That's hard to do. Ozzie has already told the papers he's going to use Lillibridge in CF. Lillibridge is RH and he was acquired as part of a big trade for Javier. I think that increases the odds of him breaking with the team. I know this sounds crazy...but MacDougal is coming close to being under consideration for at least being part of the conversation for making the squad.

Well, technically Owens is at .212 but it's the weakest 200+ average in spring training history. Coleman wants to rename him "Wayne Wise." Starting to remind me of Harry Carry...he's really really OLD.