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QUOTE (elrockinMT @ Nov 20, 2008 -> 07:13 PM) I like this move, but you don't pay that kind of money to someone to play AA or AAA. Maybe part of 2009, but my guess is he will be in the bigs real soon if not opening day. If he plays 3B where does Josh Fields go? Maybe LF if we trade Dye and move Quentin over to RF??

QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Nov 20, 2008 -> 07:05 PM) It's not necessarily low-risk. If you think about it an 11M contract would be similar to that of an 11M signing bonus (a little different, but similar). However, given the scheme of things you could have him pan out tremendously. Fantastic move but if he didn't pan out, you'd be talking about more money than the Sox spent on the entire 2008 draft. Well,from that perspective, we can say signing MacDougal and giving Contreras a contract through 2009 cost us even more, another draft. Heck, didn't we spend half a million on that Korean pitcher who's done pretty much zero? I think it's a great sign to send to the fanbase.

QUOTE (DukeNukeEm @ Nov 20, 2008 -> 05:49 PM) Rafael Furcal. Latest reports were 3 years $39 million (that's one supposedly concrete offer) and the first ideas were in the 4 year, $40 million range. I just don't think it's going to happen, not with the incredibly cheap/younger/better Ramirez in place. Unless KW really is considering the ultimate move of Ramirez to play CF and signing a SS. I guess it could happen, but not likely IMO.

No "Little Boy and Fat Man" jokes here, please!!!

QUOTE (BearSox @ Nov 20, 2008 -> 05:43 PM) I was wondering why we weren't being associated with the O-Dog much, and now I know why. No way we give him 5 years 50 million with his past, and the fact we have replacements waiting in the wings. Anyone know if the Royals are gonna give Grudz arb? I know we signed Nix and all, but Grudz would be a perfect platoon partner with Getz at 2nd base. Doubt it. His usefulness is diminishing, and he won't be around long enough for when they are a contending team in 2-3 seasons. Most importantly, they want to give the majority of playing time to Callaspo from all appearances. He was a good stopgap/transition player to give them some respectable veteran leadership in this "bridge" period the roster is undergoing from abysmal to competitive.

If we traded either Poreda or Richard, though...KW would be under a lot of stress to find a 5th starter. Then again, there's always the Colon/Garcia/Pedro/Byrd route here. I guess he could live with that. However, the O's don't want "maybe" type of players, even for one year of Roberts. Getz and Richard are far from sure things or top prospects in the majority of other organizations. Marquez? Well...if the O's will take that package, great, but I think they'll want Fields (to replace Mora eventually) and Poreda in all likelihood.

Wanted to bring this back to the front page for the posters here who don't know much about this kid and the more casual Sox fans.

I'm somewhere in my excitement level between the White Sox acquisitions of Anderson Gomes and Albert Belle in his prime. http://blogs.chicagosports.chicagotribune....to-sign-19.html Phil Rogers article, except I'm not getting anything to come up yet here in Thailand on my computer.

The Indians are interested in Orlando Hudson, who reportedly seeks a five-year, $50MM deal. mlbtraderumors.com If this is anything close to reality, I think KW won't even think twice, especially with Beckham's continued progress, Hudson's age and his injury history. This is a non-starter. Roberts is probably out for the same reasons....why give up a boatload of talent for a player in his 30's when you have very capable replacements not to far away in the pipeline?? Maybe he will change his tune (KW) if the Indians, Tigers or Twins make some major moves, but, even then...I doubt he gets desperate enough to pull the trigger on Roberts. We also know that Hendry will be going hard after Roberts, although arguably the White Sox are now in a better position to acquire him than the Cubs. Crisp is also out... Which leaves fewer and fewer legit options. Taveras. Figgins. There are a couple of others, but those are the names that immediately come to mind.

You mean Andy Gonzalez and Pedro Lopez weren't really prospects, lol? Jason Dellaero...those were the days. Not to mention bringing in Ramirez and skipping over his minor league incubation period. Who knows, maybe Nix and/or Fields will surprise a few people, and Betemit was once one of the top 2-3 infield prospects in the game.

GM Mark Shapiro says he hasn't made any offers to free agents yet. It sounds like payroll might land in the $75-80MM range, leaving the team with roughly $15MM to spend. Shapiro admitted that he would explore a trade for Jose Valverde if the Astros closer is truly available. Astros GM Ed Wade said yesterday, "I would love to see Jose here for a long time." The 'Stros have him under team control for one more year, and there's been speculation he could be dealt to save money. The Indians may attempt to acquire Huston Street if the Rockies' asking price comes down. The Indians are interested in Orlando Hudson, who reportedly seeks a five-year, $50MM deal. from mlbtraderumors Casey Blake wants a 3 year deal, I think that eliminates him from White Sox consideration officially, and the signing of Viciedo as well. Very interesting trip down memory lane with listing of minor league free agents... http://dcsportsplus.blogspot.com/2008/11/w...nor-league.html MLB.com's Chris Haft talked to Edgar Renteria's agent Jeff Lane, who said he's actively negotiating with the Giants. At least six teams are interested in Renteria, but his future is tied to Rafael Furcal. Furcal is expected to sign first, and the shortstops share many of the same suitors. The Giants also have serious interest in Orlando Hudson. It'd be surprising to see them sign two middle infielders though. So far, looks like Cabrera will end up in the NL West, but after we make the decision to offer arbitration...Minnesota has also been mentioned. Wouldn't like to see Dontrelle Willis go to the Red Sox for J. Lugo...he gets straightened out, their rotation is unstoppable. Speaking of Red Sox, wonder if Curt Schilling can be added to our "reclamation" projects list for 5th starter, along with Garcia, Colon, Pedro Martinez and Mark Hampton? Ken Rosenthal Mulder: Coming along Free-agent left-hander Mark Mulder, rehabilitating from a pair of shoulder operations, is making significant progress in his recovery, according to his agent, Gregg Clifton. After the Cardinals bought Mulder out for $1.5 million, he began working with two new personal trainers, one of whom is Paul Hospenthal, a longtime acquaintance of Mulder's who is the husband of race-car driver Danica Patrick. Clifton said that Mulder's shoulder is fine, but that he is just now starting to build "functional strength" — in other words, the muscles that will enable him to pitch successfully again. Mulder, 31, will not begin throwing until December, but could prove a reasonable one-year risk for a team in need of starting pitching. Around the horn Here are four possible trading partners for the Red Sox if they sign free-agent first baseman Mark Teixeira and need to move third baseman Mike Lowell: The Dodgers, who could lose Casey Blake in free agency; the White Sox, who currently project the unproven Josh Fields at third base; the Tigers, who could move Brandon Inge back to catcher; and the Brewers, who would need to trade third baseman Bill Hall. The Red Sox would need to be creative. Lowell, who turns 35 on Feb. 24, is expected to make a full recovery from hip surgery, but is owed $25 million over the next two seasons ... Free-agent outfielder Luis Gonzalez plans to play again next season, according to Clifton, his agent. When contacted Friday, Clifton said, "He's in the gym right now." Gonzalez, 41, is four doubles shy of 600, and needs only 28 to tie Hank Aaron for 10th on the all-time list; he is five away from Barry Bonds, seven away from Cal Ripken. Gonzalez hit 26 doubles in 341 at-bats for the Marlins last season. ... Would you trade for a pitcher who has averaged 13 wins, 192 innings and a 4.59 ERA in the National League over the past five seasons? Say hello to Cubs right-hander Jason Marquis, who will be entering the final year of his contract, valued at $9.875 million. That number likely would scare off many clubs, but Marquis would become more attractive if the Cubs included enough cash to bring another team's obligation down to say, $7 million. ...

He doesn't look incredibly out of shape right now, certainly not quite so bad as reported. But he definitely needs to shed 15-25 pounds. Let the excuses roll in from other organizations about why they didn't sign THIS Cuban, lol. It would be incredibly interesting to see which teams submitted offers to Torres, and for how many years and dollars.

QUOTE (Stan Bahnsen @ Nov 20, 2008 -> 05:03 PM) This could be great news for the Sox. I'm sure we'll get plenty of comments from other team reps that saw his workouts, after the signing becomes official. Since he's "only" getting 11 mil, there must be some doubters. The Sox probably give this kid his best opportunity to get motivated and succeed at the big league level. Does this mean Fields is likely gone in a trade now? Does it make KW more likely to trade Dye? Fields SHOULD be given every chance to show how he can perform in ST...if for no other reason than to increase his value to other teams. From all reports, Viciedo is at least 1-2 years away. If nothing else, based on his being so out of shape, it will take him at least one season in the US with Sox trainers/nutritionists/strength and conditioning people. I also think there's a possibility we see either a platoon or the acquisition of a Blake level of player for NO MORE than 2 years. They also have to decide as soon as possible whether he's best-suited for LF, 3B, RF, 1B or DH and make all possible efforts to get him acclimated to playing that particular position exclusively. Cubano, when was the last time two position players from Cuba were on the same infield (or outfield, for that matter) on an MLB team? Has it ever happened before? The strange thing is that we've now found a pipeline into Cuba (and Japan with Takatsu/Iguchi to a lesser extent) but the same thing hasn't transpired with young Venezuelan players despite having the most famous/successful Venezelano ever. For now, I'll attribute this to Wilder and other internal organizational weaknesses, but there's really no excuse for not having 2-3 future studs from that country as well. But we'll take whatever we can get.

QUOTE (Milkman delivers @ Nov 20, 2008 -> 02:42 PM) You also have to consider that he is a very well-liked player and that he was a part of the historic Yankees. I think he's definitely going to get in when you consider those things, plus his numbers. Plus he went to Stanford and can do the NY Times Sunday Crossword Puzzle.

First of all, it's a huge injury risk to slide headfirst into 1B. Second, it actually slows you down, this is a proven/statistically-valid point. Second, you're leaving out the 2000 season, when we finished 28 games over .500 and the Twins 24 games BELOW .500. Not even our putrid 07 team managed to accomplish that, in all its Andy Gonzalez-ness. Include 2000, and we're ahead of the Twins in overall record. The coin flip has been the rule of baseball for decades. Should we apologize to them? Maybe the AL should give up some of those World Series titles in the last 15 years, too, with the home field "unfairly" going to the All-Star game winner. Nobody expected TOO much out of Griffey. Swisher, yes. But Griffey had been battling injuries all season long. We don't need pure speed. We need baseball players who are more athletic and can score from 1st on a double, 2nd on a single and from 3rd on sacrifice flies...and hopefully not hit into 20+ double plays per season.

At $16 million per season for four years, he can just import her with him and build his own personal cable access network for her, like Wayne's World.

QUOTE (gosox41 @ Nov 19, 2008 -> 11:33 PM) The asking price on Crisp has gone down a lot. Didn't Boston want a lot more for him from us a couple of years ago? There was even talk they wanted Buehrle for Crisp, although that was ridiculous to Sox fans.

QUOTE (Dan @ Nov 19, 2008 -> 11:45 PM) Does anything the Cubs do make sense? They signed Dempster for 52mil for cryin out loud. Yeah, but we're paying Javy $23 million for two seasons. That's only a difference of only $1.5 million per season. I think I'd rather have Dempster's contract if I could exchange it for Javy's straight up as of today. I wouldn't think twice if it was 3 years intead of 4, but that obviously increases the risk to the Cubs.

QUOTE (MO2005 @ Nov 19, 2008 -> 08:04 PM) Seriously instead of investing so much time into this post, invest it into some common sense..Number one why does ANYONE want these players on this team. They make no sense anywhere near this team. Eric Hinske vs. Brian Anderson? Jason Varitek vs. Cole? Pedro Martinez vs. Clayton Richard or Poreda. It is a waste of a couple million dollars that could be used elsewhere. Speed does not slump!!! If you throw guys like Jerry Owens, Wily Taveras, Chone Figgins, etc. etc. into speed roles, they will use speed to create opportunities. Winning in baseball involves role players. If Owens job is to bunt to create an opportunity, then let him bunt 100 times next year to get into a pitcher's head that he is hard to get out. Look what makes the Twins so damn successful. Everyone hates them because guys like Gomez and Span will bunt to just create opportunities. What I am saying is instead of talking about backup guys that we already get enough of on this team should be swapped for guys like Nick Punto, what about him? Howie Kendrick, what about him? Damn I'll even go out on a limb here and say Felix Pie as a back-up..Kenny knows he needs someone to put some fear into opposing pitchers! Now Mike MacDougal is a waste of a couple of million that could be used elsewhere. To say bringing in someone like Colon, Garcia or Pedro as the fifth starter is a waste of money...well...it's far from clear that the White Sox even view Poreda as a starter for 2009, and it's far from clear that Richard can consistently get through opposing line-ups the 2nd and 3rd time around. Yeah, we're not going to bring in Varitek as a back-up or even platoon, and it's also far from clear that we've just given the job to Cole Armstrong already. We don't know what KW's thinking, but I doubt it's whether Eric Hinske would be better than Anderson/Wise/Owens. The reason the Twins scare other teams is because of that dome...mostly. Before, it was Liriano/Santana and then Nathan...that could be intimidating. I don't think Jerry Owens will ever intimidate anyone like Pods did the first 3-4 months of 2005. Taveras? Closer. But Punto diving into 1B when he's out on a routine grounder to SS by 15 feet? Well, that's just kind of silly grinderism. Pablo Ozuna brought much of the same to Sox, by the way. The Twins have won 4/7 division championships, the White Sox 3/9 and a World Series. Why should we be copying them, exactly? Especially since they are moving into a new facility and it's unclear how that will translate...they certainly were a horrible to average road team last year. Finally, if we should emulate anything, it's the Twins' success in incubating Scott Baker, Liriano, Perkins, Blackburn and Slowey within the last couple of seasons. We really haven't been able to get one legit starter to the big leagues since Buehrle/Garland/Wells.

Sorry, just waking up here in Thailand. Shouldn't have said it in that way...no, I don't have any "insider/Cuban" information on Viciedo. Just speculation like everyone else. Although if we do trade Dye for Victorino, move Quentin to RF and Viciedo is our new LF/3B platoon, it would be interesting to say the least. Apparently KW didn't show any interest in Crisp at all. Darn. I had him pegged for bringing in Blake and Crisp at the start of the off-season. Crisp had a .392 on-base percentage after the All-Star break this past season and played very well in a season in which he and Jacoby Ellsbury exchanged the roles of starter and extra man because of injuries to J.D. Drew and Manny Ramirez. He is one of the better defensive center fielders in the game, and his .751 OPS in 2008 and his stellar defensive play are upgrades for the Royals -- whose center fielders had an OPS of .638 this past season. The Red Sox surveyed what was a surprisingly small market for Crisp -- Cincinnati was the other club with the most interest -- and decided that with Jeremy Affeldt starting out the 2008 free-agent market by signing a two-year, $8 million deal with the Giants, it likely will be easier to find another outfielder than secure a low-cost power reliever. Peter Gammons

QUOTE (elrockinMT @ Nov 19, 2008 -> 06:51 PM) We trade Jermaine Dye for Victorino? Why? Dye is still a solid ballplayer with much value to the Sox. You fill one need and open up a second Because it's much harder to find a quality CFer than a corner outfielder, although Dye's numbers put him in "elite" company for the past four years at that position. Victorino's a younger player near his prime years, Dye's aging, losing range and might be an injury or full-time DH waiting to happen. We've been lucky with him so far, for the most part, coming off the injuries he had in Oakland. Victorino has a more affordable contract...you can move Quentin over to RF. It's much easier to find a LFer (heck, Josh Fields is a possibility) to get "average" MLB production out of without overpaying than to find a Top 10 MLB CF. Irony, of course...we had Reed, Anthony Webster, Rowand, Brian Anderson and Chris B. Young four seasons ago (a seeming embarassment of riches), and none of them have turned out to be the long-term solution for various reasons.

The BEST we could hope for in this pitching market from the FA market is Oliver Perez, Randy Wolf or Jon Garland. All will probably make MORE than Javier Vazquez, and for 3-5 year contracts. Well, Wolf, maybe not, but close. Halladay would cost us almost about the same as our winter stove moves for Pujols, Jose Reyes/David Wright and Evan Longoria. If they want to give us Vernon Wells and eat part of that contract, KW could potentially bite on that one...or Rios.

QUOTE (bigruss22 @ Nov 19, 2008 -> 05:21 PM) He was only the starting DH and what, #3/4 hitter? The argument is that he was the WORST of the starting line-up (how you can compare his numbers to Iguchi or Pods and state with equivocation Everett was "worse" or less important is beyond me, it's certainly not crystal-clear)....then you have the five starting pitchers, Jenks, Hermanson, etc. It's a logical argument...but one that will never be settled, because that team was always more than the sum of its individual parts, which is ALWAYS the case with championship teams unless they're the Yankees or Red Sox that can just overwhelm with talent. However, the best Yankees teams weren't just big budget successes, they had their share of Scott Brosiuses, Miguel Cairos, Mike Stantons, Jeff Nelsons and Paul O'Neills who weren't stars, but they knew how to win. Everett's the same type of player. A winner. As much as I don't get out Viagra and genuflect at the Rowand shrine, he was also the kind of player whose intangibles were hard to measure in box scores, like Iguchi. But I'll take the stance that each of these players have a special place in my heart...for SOMETHING that season...Timo's pinch-hitting to win a couple of games, Widger being part of the run in the line-up to rip homers off Randy Johnson, etc. Blum's liner off Wandy Rodriguez. Harris' single to get into scoring position for Dye, etc.

QUOTE (Steve9347 @ Nov 19, 2008 -> 04:27 PM) What is this? 2001 when those guys were considered young? Just making an exaggerated point that superfast baseball players (with speed being their main asset) aren't usually GOOD baseball players OR football (Renaldo Nehemiah, Alexander Wright, etc.) players, although turning track stars into wide receivers makes a BIT more sense from a logic POV. For every Vince Coleman or Willie McGee that drove the Cardinals' offense, there was a Curt Ford and fortunately for us, Lance Johnson, who didn't fit in. AHA. That's the type of player we need, the modern-day equivalent of the ONE DOG. The players mentioned were just facetious mentionings of players who never amounted to much and are/were borderline starters/prospects/suspects. With the White Sox, the name Julio Ramirez comes to mind, not really for his speed solely but as someone hyped as a five tool player that was a dud. At least Pods had some "baseball skills" by the time he finally reached the majors with the Mariners, but he was still a pretty one-dimensional player.

Suppose it works both ways....the "reasonable" contract makes him much more affordable to keep but also more attractive for other teams to acquire. He's a name player to most casual fans and Roto participants, but I still don't think he's the difference maker that many are looking for...where he's clearly a better option than someone like Coco Crisp. I lived in KC for ten years (1996-2007) and I've seen enough of him in CF at Kauffman to realize he's not someone I'd want out there for the White Sox, at least at that position, on an everyday basis. If he was healthy enough to play 150-155 games, that is. In fact, you can argue the Royals had to take on a contract that was a little steep for them (once again, historically) because they've learned DeJesus is NOT the answer at the position, and neither is Joey Gathright.